C'da: do you have a plan to make the net stink without anybody doing anything as opposed to the saying that you just mentioned?
> But it is not your problem alone. It seems to be a common
> affliction amongst certain Texas Kharkhowas .
And why is this guwal-gaali to the nimakhit Texamese who are minding their own business? J
>From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:21:26 -0500
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>Rajen:
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>>I think you are writing this because you are paranoid with the idea
>>that only independence is >the way to go for Assam, and are
>>blind-folded to see anything outside the square. As such, >instead
>>of acting for the cause of Assam, you are just reacting to
>>everything GOI does. Even >your demand for reform for India sound
>>reactionary coming from an outside observer, and not >because you
>>are concerned about India. That is why you don't care even to know
>>what reforms >are needed. Overall, it looks like you are taking
>>training directly from George Bush in >advancing your
>>fundamentalist ideas. I thought you are a person with liberal views
>>and had >got nothing to do with George Bush. But I may be wrong.
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>*** I must have gotten you angry again .
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>Just few corrections:
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> *** The word you were seeking to use was not 'paranoid'. Paranoia
> is a mental condition that makes one think, unreasonably, or
> without any foundation, that others are out to get him.
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> But it is not your problem alone. It seems to be a common
> affliction amongst certain Texas Kharkhowas .
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> There is all the evidence in the world that India is not capable of
> undertaking significant reforms. It is unable to even change
>course
> on pursuing unproductive policies, as in Assam, as in Kashmir,
> for decades on end.
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> All one needs to do is pay attention to PMs and Pres' lamenting how
> corruption in India cannot be brought down, until the people become
> more moral. I won't even touch upon POCOR philosophers'
> pronouncements .
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>Even >your demand for reform for India sound reactionary coming from
>an outside observer, and not >because you are concerned about India.
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>**** You did figure that out didn't you ? I tried to hide that as
>far as I could, but it must have showed. I must be slipping.
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>>That is why you don't care even to know what reforms >are needed.
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>*** Oh yeah? You discovered another of my secrets again. Is that
>what you were trying to tell me all these months -- what reforms
>India needs? I mean in addition to leader designs and manufacturing
>plants? And NGO's to the rescue?
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>But you may be right, I must have come up with needs for reforms in
>one of those attacks of paranoia. And since it sounded hallucinatory
>to the logical minded, they started talking of morality and NGOs.
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>>Overall, it looks like you are taking training directly from George
>>Bush in >advancing your >fundamentalist ideas.
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>*** Man, you must have found the key to all my secrets. But honest
>Rajen, I have nothing to do with the X-ian right. But Rummy, Wolfie
>, W -- they could very well have brainwashed me subliminally. What
>with my interest in leveraging Assam and the NE's strategic location
>in the comon soft-war between the US and China.
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>BTW, you folks did not respond to my suggestive question on that at
>all, I mean whether we should encourage Assam to try to leverage its
>strategic location? Was it too scary?
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>> I thought you are a person with liberal views and had >got
>>nothing to do with George Bush. >But I may be wrong.
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>Oh you don't have to display any false humility here Rajen, nobody
>would try to suggest you might be wrong. Kotha eta aase nohoy:
>Nehagile gu nwgwndahi.You may have stumbled on to yet another
>ground-breaking discovery here. I have suspected myself that I might
>have a schizoid personality, spouting liberalism while cavorting
>with the conservatives.
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>BTW , did you know what conservatives are about? They are about
>conserving the system ? They oppose change.
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>Take care.
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>c :-)
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>At 11:01 AM -0500 5/9/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>> >Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to scare all
>>of us again to take Assam away >from the mother.
>>
>>*** That, unfortunately, is a highly premature wish.
>>
>>I think you are writing this because you are paranoid with the idea
>>that only independence is the way to go for Assam, and are
>>blind-folded to see anything outside the square. As such, instead
>>of acting for the cause of Assam, you are just reacting to
>>everything GOI does. Even your demand for reform for India sound
>>reactionary coming from an outside observer, and not because you
>>are concerned about India. That is why you don't care even to know
>>what reforms are needed. Overall, it looks like you are taking
>>training directly from George Bush in advancing your fundamentalist
>>ideas. I thought you are a person with liberal views and had got
>>nothing to do with George Bush. But I may be wrong.
>>Rajen
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta
>>To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Rajen Barua ;
>><mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
>>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:58 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
>>
>>At 11:08 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>>
>>>*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you are pro-reform? Not
>>>that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed with this
>>>reform call none-sense. You don't believe it because the people
>>>are bad, that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no
>>>leaders, so on and so forth
>>>
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>>You are confused because you are not using the garden variety
>>logic. It is simple.
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>>Where did I say I am against reform? I am saying that you must know
>>what reform to do and how. Simply saying that reform is needed
>>will not do any purpose, because we all know that reform is needed.
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>>*** Using garden variety logic, where do all the EVERYBODY who is
>>NOT against reform ( does that mean they are not necessarily for
>>reform, but not against reforms) ought to begin?
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>>Those who know and believe that reforms are needed and raise their
>>voices, or do they wait and pray for that couple of hundred years
>>for the 'leaders' like
>>Britain or the US are purported to have, to evolve or be imported,
>>who will come and tell these clueless Not-against-reform types what
>>and how to reform?
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>>I thought we heard arguments that citizen participation is where
>>democracy's strength lies. And since that is lacking in India,
>>things are as they are, and not because there is anything faulty
>>with the systems. And that NGOs is what they need who will fix
>>governance.
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>>*** And once the POCOR members, who are the most vocal in Assam
>>Net, raise their voices FOR systemic reforms, perhaps the fence
>>sitters would join the club too, and begin to talk of reforms?
>>Maybe it will spread to Assam too, like SARS? And who knows, they
>>might even buy the idea that systemic reforms
>>might achieve a good part of what independence might ?
>>
>>Maybe the idea that independence alone would not change anything
>>for Assam unless radical systemic changes to governance are ushered
>>in as well would be persuasive? And if India can embark on
>>significant reforms, it will quell the desire for Assam
>>sovereignty?
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>>Maybe an Indian ground-swell for governmental reforms will kill two
>>birds at one shot? On the one, do good for everyone, and the other,
>>just might begin to subside seditious sentiments of the NE? Could
>>it not be the ultimate win-win solution?
>>
>>*** I realize I am indulging in 'alaxot-sang-pota' endeavors
>>expecting the POCOR members to discard logic and expecting them to
>>join me in this romantic notion
>>of a reformed governmental system coming to the aid of Assam or
>>India.
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>>After all, just talking of reforms, without a blue-print, prepared
>>by imported leaders, the i's dotted and t's crossed, signed and
>>sealed, is delivered on a silver platter to the gods of
>>desi-demokrasy to act upon, is but a ruse to create more Assamese
>>despondency and incite more insurgency.
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>>For POCOR members don't believe for a moment that India is
>>capable of significant reforms as things stand, just as this
>>troublemaker does.
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>> >Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to scare all
>>of us again to take Assam away >from the mother.
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>>*** That, unfortunately, is a highly premature wish.
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>>*** As I said I am not an expert to delineate the exact item that
>>need reforms. That will have to be pinned down by people with
>>recognized expertise in the field. And they will be the ones to
>>recommend required reforms. It is absurd for you to trash calls for
>>reforms, just because the caller cannot give you specific
>>recommendations.
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>>Now I understand. You are neither the patent, nor the doctor, but
>>looks like you are just a visiting guest who is just casually
>>making a remark, "BTW the condition of the patent is terrible and
>>may die soon. Let some doctor come a cure him."
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>>No I would not thrash you for making that remark. In fact I would
>>say, "Thank you sir, for your concern and advice. Of course we all
>>know the patent is sick and we are all worried and trying our best
>>and also seeking some expert doctor to come a diagnose the disease
>>and give some medicine. Please forgive me if I lost my temper and
>>did not behave properly. As you know the patent is my mother and we
>>all are very much worried for her. BTW could you tell us if you
>>know some good physician in this field who can cure my mother? We
>>all will be so pleased".
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>>Ow that is a great relief. Now that we agree with you, we hope you
>>don't have to scare all of us again to take Assam away from the
>>mother.
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>>Rajen
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>>----- Original Message -----
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>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta
>>
>>To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Rajen Barua ;
>><mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
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>>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:01 PM
>>
>>Subject: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
>>
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>>Rajen:
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>>At 8:36 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
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>>> >So Sondon, stop harping about reforming the system!
>>>
>> >By golly I think I got it!
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>>Nobody is against reform. If you have any specific reform to
>>suggest, why don't you put it on the table for discussion. You are
>>harping about reform but not discussing what reform or how to do
>>it. Everybody knows India need reform. But what and how? That is
>>the question. Don't be just a patent, try to be a doctor.
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>>Rajen
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>>*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you are pro-reform? Not
>>that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed with this
>>reform call none-sense. You don't belive it because the people are
>>bad, that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no
>>leaders, so on and so forth.
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>> >You are harping about reform but not discussing what reform
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>>*** In every facet of governance.
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>> >But what and how?
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>>*** As I said I am not an expert to delineate the exact item that
>>need reforms. That will have to be pinned down by people with
>>recognized expertise in the field. And they will be the ones to
>>recommend reqquired reforms. It is absurd for you to trash calls
>>for reforms, just because the caller cannot give you specific
>>recommendations.
>>
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>>But at a conceptual level, I sure can tell you what is wrong and
>>what needs doing in areas I have familiarity with. Just give me a
>>subject, and I will see if I can't set out solutions in a
>>conceptual level.
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>> >That is the question. Don't be just a patent, try to be a
>>doctor.
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>>*** You are getting into philosophy again. Please spare me that
>>stuff. I am not up to your level on these things.
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>>c
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