>I thought we heard arguments that citizen participation is where
democracy's strength lies. And since that is lacking in India, things are as
they are, and not >because there is anything faulty with the systems. And
that NGOs is what they need who will fix governance.
Come on! Use some garden variety logic.
You got it backwards. NGOs are needed for the people of India and Assam to
paticipate in the very democratic process, to ask for reform, discuss reforms,
suggest solutions, put the feet of MPs and MLAs on fire if need be.
Look at this country, how they participate in the democratic process through
different NGOs. NGOs are the voices of the people. Without such NGOs how
you are even going to demand a reform. Just Chandan shouting from 6000 miles
away in the net?
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: On Systems and
Leaders.
At 11:08 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you
are pro-reform? Not that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed
with this reform call none-sense. You don't believe it because the people
are bad, that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no leaders, so
on and so forth
You are
confused because you are not using the garden variety logic. It is
simple.
Where did I
say I am against reform? I am saying that you must know what reform to do
and how. Simply saying that reform is needed will not do any purpose,
because we all know that reform is needed.
*** Using garden variety logic, where do all the EVERYBODY who is NOT
against reform ( does that mean they are not necessarily for reform, but not
against reforms) ought to begin?
Those who know and believe that reforms are needed and raise their
voices, or do they wait and pray for that couple of hundred years for the
'leaders' like
Britain or the US are purported to have, to evolve or be imported, who
will come and tell these clueless Not-against-reform types what and how to
reform?
I thought we heard arguments that citizen participation is where
democracy's strength lies. And since that is lacking in India, things are as
they are, and not because there is anything faulty with the systems. And that
NGOs is what they need who will fix governance.
*** And once the POCOR members, who are the most vocal in Assam
Net, raise their voices FOR systemic reforms, perhaps the fence sitters
would join the club too, and begin to talk of reforms? Maybe it will spread to
Assam too, like SARS? And who knows, they might even buy the idea that
systemic reforms
might achieve a good part of what independence might ?
Maybe the idea that independence alone would not change anything for
Assam unless radical systemic changes to governance are ushered in as well
would be persuasive? And if India can embark on significant reforms, it will
quell the desire for Assam sovereignty?
Maybe an Indian ground-swell for governmental reforms will kill two birds
at one shot? On the one, do good for everyone, and the other, just might begin
to subside seditious sentiments of the NE? Could it not be the
ultimate win-win solution?
*** I realize I am indulging in 'alaxot-sang-pota' endeavors expecting
the POCOR members to discard logic and expecting them to join me in this
romantic notion
of a reformed governmental system coming to the aid of Assam or
India.
After all, just talking of reforms, without a blue-print, prepared by
imported leaders, the i's dotted and t's crossed, signed and sealed, is
delivered on a silver platter to the gods of desi-demokrasy to act upon, is
but a ruse to create more Assamese despondency and incite more
insurgency.
For POCOR members don't believe for a moment that India is
capable of significant reforms as things stand, just as this troublemaker
does.
>Now that we agree with you,
we hope you don't have to scare all of us again to take Assam away
>from the mother.
*** That, unfortunately, is a highly premature wish.
*** As I said I am
not an expert to delineate the exact item that need reforms. That will have
to be pinned down by people with recognized expertise in the field. And they
will be the ones to recommend required reforms. It is absurd for you to
trash calls for reforms, just because the caller cannot give you specific
recommendations.
Now I
understand. You are neither the patent, nor the doctor, but looks like
you are just a visiting guest who is just casually making a remark, "BTW the
condition of the patent is terrible and may die soon. Let some doctor
come a cure him."
No I would
not thrash you for making that remark. In fact I would say, "Thank you sir,
for your concern and advice. Of course we all know the patent is sick
and we are all worried and trying our best and also seeking some expert
doctor to come a diagnose the disease and give some medicine. Please forgive
me if I lost my temper and did not behave properly. As you know the patent
is my mother and we all are very much worried for her. BTW could you tell us
if you know some good physician in this field who can cure my mother? We all
will be so pleased".
Ow that is
a great relief. Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to
scare all of us again to take Assam away from the mother.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:01 PM
Subject: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
Rajen:
At 8:36 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>So Sondon, stop harping
about reforming the system!
>By golly I think I got it!
Nobody is against reform.
If you have any specific reform to suggest, why don't you put it on the
table for discussion. You are harping about reform but not discussing
what reform or how to do it. Everybody knows India need reform. But what
and how? That is the question. Don't be just a patent, try to be a
doctor.
Rajen
*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you are pro-reform?
Not that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed with this
reform call none-sense. You don't belive it because the people are bad,
that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no leaders, so on and
so forth.
>You are harping about
reform but not discussing what reform
*** In every facet of governance.
>But what and
how?
*** As I said I am not an expert to delineate the exact item
that need reforms. That will have to be pinned down by people with
recognized expertise in the field. And they will be the ones to recommend
reqquired reforms. It is absurd for you to trash calls for reforms, just
because the caller cannot give you specific recommendations.
But at a conceptual level, I sure can tell you what is wrong
and what needs doing in areas I have familiarity with. Just give me a
subject, and I will see if I can't set out solutions in a conceptual
level.
>That is the question.
Don't be just a patent, try to be a doctor.
*** You are getting into philosophy again. Please spare me
that stuff. I am not up to your level on these things.
c
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