Title: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing - IANS
Are Assamese trying to say, you Orias, you Biharis, you Bangladesis, you starve to death in your own land. Don't you come to my waste land and try to survive.
 
*** Are they?
 
Why do you think these people are coming to Assam? For vacationing to spend their extra money in Brahmaputra cruise run by Assamese?
Rajen
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing - IANS

At 11:49 AM -0500 5/24/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
We can go on debating on semantics for days. Let us not do that.


*** I agree. But WHAT semantics are you alluding to? It has all the trappings of a  red-herring  to me.

 
First precondition for someone to be a Dhwd, he/she  will have to have enough to eat without working.
Assamese are typically called whose 'akalw nai, bhoralw nai' jati, and that is why they are Dhwd.
Dhwds are not poor.  Assamese are xom.bhranto dhwds.


*** Is that an astutely researched and acutely observed anthropological discovery, or is it a self-evident truth, or is it parroting of meaningless
stereotyping by ignorant people who are too lazy to exercise their intellectual abilities to learn about real issues?

 
Now here is the contradiction. If Assamese have enough to eat without working, What is then Assam's problem? What Assamese are complaining of? Why they are complaining of jobs?

*** Whoever suggested the "--If Assamese have enough to eat without working," hypothesis? Is it a proposition that one could expect from a person who has even a bare amount of reasoning abilities ?

It is however all about fabricating conditions or dreaming up assumptions to prove a pre-conceived and convoluted assertion.


Are they complaining because others are working from their waste land and trying to survive and in the process are becoming  richer than the Assamese.

Are Assamese trying to say, you Orias, you Biharis, you Bangladesis, you starve to death in your own land. Don't you come to my waste land and try to survive.

 


*** Are they? Two hundred years back the Assamese had a lot of land the British considered 'waste land', because the 'ignorant' natives did not bring under cultivation. Do you really lack the ability to separate that issue from today's unemployment in Assam, that you found necessary to mix the two up together to make the argument you did?

Don't you even consider how that reflects on your reasoning abilities?


If some Marwaris, Biharis, Bangladesis are exploiting the Asamese, they are exploiting by following manner:
 
Twmare barir bah gaj
Take-ni korisw khorisa
Twmake besi dhan dwn loisw
Kothatw mon korisa.
 
Now we all know the problem. Let us not dwell on it. Question is what is the solution:

*** From what you describe above, if you are suggesting  YOU know the problem, then I must say that *I* don't belong in your milieu of "we".



 
My solution is two fold.
1) Know the reality, know the problem as noted above, and analyse others. Self criticize as necessary. 

*** That is a profound recommendation no doubt. Know the reality, like Rajen does. Know the problem as Rajen lays out above. Call the Assamese lazy if you have to, or other assorted terms of endearment and/or tough love, and voila--one half of the problem is resolved!


2) Revive the Assamese people from bottom up. Eastblish NGOs. Inspire and create new leaders. etc etc

*** Revive the people from the bottom up? What bottom? Those in the lowest rungs of society in terms of ? Economics, education, morality, faith, all of the preceding, what? And HOW does one do that? Does Rajen have the appropriate 'mantra's that could be recited with a few sprinkles of Xonjeevoni paani ( sacred water) , with a dash of NGO 'mkordhwoj' ( panacea/ cure-all) after you ordered in a few 'leaders' from Delhi?


Oh my gosh! If a high-school student from Jokaisuk wrote this up he would fail.
And we are seeing this from someone with your capabilities Rajen?


 
Your solution seems to be like:
1) Assamese are not Dhwds. Don't criticize the poor Assamese. The problem is somewhere else.


*** Is that a SOLUTION prescription Rajen?


2) It is center's duty to control the borders to start with. GOI has completly failed. What Assamese do inside Assam's border is Assam's problem.

*** Again is that how you perceive solutions to be?


3) To solve Assam's problem, change the system at the top. Because not only GOI has failed, but our main problem is also that there is no accountability at the top.  Changing the system will restore accountability.

*** What is this 'system at the top' thingie? If there is a system at the top, is there one at the bottom and another in the middle, which might be different from the one at the top?

Yes, indeed lack of accountability in govt. is a very serious problem. Do you NOT agree with that? Does it not matter as far as your prescriptions are concerned?

Has GoI NOT failed in discharging its duties in your estimation? And if so how so?


The above are a big part of the PROBLEM STATEMENT, but it still is NOT a solution, or is it in your language?

Changing the system does not automatically restore accountability. That is a pretty absurd conclusion you make. Is that the best you could imagine on how changing the system or reforming it means to you?  Or are you phrasing it that way to create the impression that reforms are either an unnecessary or a harebrained idea?  If the latter is what it is, as most people would read it as, because few if any in Assam Net is that dumb, then  what do you think these folks are thinking about your arguments ?

Would they view it as the considered views of a well experienced thinking
person dedicated to doing well for Assam?


4) Snatch Assam from GOI if necessary and become independent because that will definitely restore our accountability at the top. and  Assamese will be able to live happily ever after.


*** Yes indeed. If GoI is unable to undertake the reforms, Assam will have to do it by itself. As I always maintained, if GoI relents on its grips on controls, perhaps Assam could introduce the changes and the reforms as a part of the union. But if not it will have to do what it can to wrest those controls off the Center.

Will the Assamese live happily ever after? I am not into predicting such outcomes, unlike those determinists who seem to know all about what is good for Assam, except thewir solutions have not made any difference so far. But certainly it won't be any worse than it is now under Indian rule.


Read Sanjib Baruah's book (if someone has the courage to read) to know the actual problem etc etc

*** Funny thing is that it would indeed go a long way. However I must qualify that with a disclaimer: It depends on the ability to read and comprehend ordinary English. Some people get very confused and cannot comprehend anything that do not validate their pre-conceived notions.


(BTW I will order the book if available now and try to have the courage to read. I admire Baruah for what he is doing. Hope he will be able to tell me something new.)

*** I won't hold my breath , if recent experiences are any guide.

 
Correct me if I err on my evaluation.


*** Naaah, how could you err?





 
Rajen
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; mridul bhuyan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing - IANS

Rajen:

I just wrote a response, but I did not post it. Because I kept wondering if you are serious or if this your sense of satire. But you are a very literate person, much more than most of us here. So this could not be satire.

Could it be humor then? I know not all of us are endowed with a sense of humor. Therefore sometimes our attempts at it, come out smelling like you know what? Is
that what it is?

Or is it a display of a sense of deep frustration, leading to 'bere-saale-kwbwa' exercises like this?

BTW, the British did not bring the Central Indian bonded labor to the tea gardens  because the Oxomiyas were lazy. It is  one of the most ignorant perceptions I have ever seen, very unbecoming coming from a person like yourself who has a demonstrated command over historical knowledge. But looks like your knowledge of history also suffers from that desi-disability, an absence of the critical/analytical component. But just so you know, it was because:

        1: The Assamese peasantry had plenty of land to cultivate and
        live on. They had no need to serve as bonded laborers of the British
        colonial masters.

        2: The British colonial settlement policies, which were designed to
        settle vast tracts of  un-used "waste" land of Assam.



If you have the courage, read Durable Disorder. Sanjib Baruah's explanations will open your eyes and perhaps even the mind :-) to the realities. In Chapter Three he deals with British Land Resources policies, which addresses these issues.

I was completely unaware of the many details until about three years back, when Baruah was kind enough to share with me a copy of his pre-publication paper on these matter. I was aware of bits of the puzzle, from accounts of my own ancestors,and neighbors where I grew up, even though I did not know how everything fit together. Baruah's researches brought everything together, making the picture understandable. I recall writing to him at that time that it was explosive knowledge.


c





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