Thanks for the great feedback Andrew, Patrick, and James.

So, now my understanding is that it's hard or impossible to get point-to-point 
copper pair (dry loop) and even if possible a 10Mbps can't be pushed through it 
with any economical technology.


Unfortunately there is no line of sight at all. Probably Metro Ethernet is 
going to be the choice. However, I wonder how that is delivered anyhow when All 
Stream does it (called SwitchE) - Don't they also use Bells copper wire to do 
this?


I have two more questions though:
1- What about companies like TekSavvy? I understand they purchase DSLAM space 
in most COs?
2- I am looking through Bell's CRTC tariffs and hard to pin point the start-up 
costs for obtaining DLSAM service etc...


Can someone with knowledge please shed some light.


Thanks again,
Bruce




Regards,
Bruce


> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:20:00 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Can I get Point to Point copper OR similar 
> work-around
> 
> Bruce N wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> > Can a dry loop be ordered for point to point access. Let's say between 
> > North York and Down Town Toronto? Aim is to create a private network or 
> > heck even take advantage of the fast internet service available at 151 
> > Front Street.
> >
> >
> > I understand that there are limitations to DSL technology with distance but 
> > won't the repeaters in between solve that issue?
> >
> >
> > Furthermore, by this request am I looking into something like DSLAM hire 
> > from Bell facility? If so, can you guide to CRTC approved tariffs for it?
> >
> >
> > Thanks a bunch,
> > Bruce 
> > 
> Not likely. You can at best get a pair to your central office. Years 
> ago, copper pairs were commonly used for DS1 (T1) circuits at 1.544 Mb/s 
> (1.536 usable) and they needed repeaters about every 6000' IIRC. If you 
> want to go faster than that, you'd need fibre and you'd also be talking 
> about lots of money. If you have line of site, you can set up a short 
> haul microwave link. These are available in both licenced and 
> unlicenced bands. The greatest distance I've covered on short haul 
> microwave is from American Dr. & Viscount Rd., in Malton to West Drive & 
> Clark Blvd. in Brampton with a licenced system, but the equipment used 
> was capable of about 40 Km. Again, you're talking a lot of money. 
> Unlicenced systems can be cheaper, but also have much shorter range.
> 
> 
> 
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