ATF Developers, Webtools PMC,
I was disappointed to read this statement (below) in the atf-dev mailing
list. A project is not open and transparent unless it is open and
transparent *all the time*. My experience is that people (and groups of
people; even me) always revert to base behavior under stress. In other
words, if you can't stay open and transparent during a "heads down"
cycle, then you aren't really committed to being open and transparent.
Related to that, I browsed around your mailing list archives, newsgroup
archives, and project website:
* Your 2.1 downloads do not have the word "incubation" in them. Your
project is no longer "incubation-conforming".
* You are not using the standard Eclipse version numbering as 0.2.1
is not (in Eclipse naming) a milestone of 0.2. It should be
something more like 0.2.1M4.
* I couldn't find a project plan. I found this roadmap
<http://www.eclipse.org/atf/roadmap/> but it's out of date. Plus
it has no dates.
* Are you all doing Eclipse-standard six week milestones aiming for
a 1.0 release? You should be, but I don't see any documentation of
it anywhere.
* I see
<http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/summary.cgi?company=y&month=x&top=webtools&project=webtools.atf&year=2007>
that code is being written, but I don't see much/any discussion of
design, architecture, use cases, unit tests, or development in the
dev mailing list
<http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/atf-dev/maillist.html>.
* I looked at the ATF wiki <http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/ATF>.
All but one of the pages haven't been touched for more than nine
months.
* Etc.
The project is just not being very open and transparent. The WTP PMC
needs to crack down on the ATF project and either get them to be an open
and transparent and Eclipse-like project or to reboot the project with a
different team that will be. This could be a really cool project for
Eclipse and the Eclipse community. But not as a closed-shop project with
an open source repository. It's not good for Eclipse and it's not good
for Webtools and it's not good for the ATF project itself.
*Bjorn Freeman-Benson*
Director, Open Source Process <http://eclipse-projects.blogspot.com/>
Eclipse Foundation <http://www.eclipse.org/>
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*Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:13 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [atf-dev] Open Mettings and getting the Source Code
Victor
We do generally have an open meeting. At this time the team is heads
down trying to get something out the door real soon and before I go on
vacation. We are just having impromptu meetings until we get over the
hump. I will send you a note, once we get the meetings started again.
We are obviously interested in people who would like to contribute to
the project.
...
Thanks
Bob
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[atf-dev] Open Mettings and getting the Source Code
Robert,
We are interested in the ATF Project and we would like to know if
the the project has Open Mettings. How we can participate from this
meetings?
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