Bjorn
I would of responded to you sooner, but have been on vacation.
I will work on improving the communication to the open source community.
The ATF team is starting to look at where we should be heading in the
future. The team has gotten to the point where we need to assess what we
have done in ATF and what functionality should be in ATF for a product. As
we go forward we will be announcing our thoughts to the community to get
feedback and layout our plans. There are a number of things that the ATF
has done that we don't think should be in a product. The team has announce
two of this items to the ATF Dev forum (Dropping of the Personality and
Zimbra support) to get community feedback. We are probably one or two
months away from laying out our plans.
I will update the Web site with our latest plans for our next milestone
and announce the plans to the ATF Dev forum I will also work on your
specific bullets below. I will also continue to work WTP PMC on the best
course of actions to improve communication to the open source community.
Thanks
Bob
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ATF Developers, Webtools PMC,
I was disappointed to read this statement (below) in the atf-dev mailing
list. A project is not open and transparent unless it is open and
transparent all the time. My experience is that people (and groups of
people; even me) always revert to base behavior under stress. In other
words, if you can't stay open and transparent during a "heads down" cycle,
then you aren't really committed to being open and transparent.
Related to that, I browsed around your mailing list archives, newsgroup
archives, and project website:
Your 2.1 downloads do not have the word "incubation" in them. Your project
is no longer "incubation-conforming".
You are not using the standard Eclipse version numbering as 0.2.1 is not
(in Eclipse naming) a milestone of 0.2. It should be something more like
0.2.1M4.
I couldn't find a project plan. I found this roadmap but it's out of date.
Plus it has no dates.
Are you all doing Eclipse-standard six week milestones aiming for a 1.0
release? You should be, but I don't see any documentation of it anywhere.
I see that code is being written, but I don't see much/any discussion of
design, architecture, use cases, unit tests, or development in the dev
mailing list.
I looked at the ATF wiki. All but one of the pages haven't been touched
for more than nine months.
Etc.
The project is just not being very open and transparent. The WTP PMC needs
to crack down on the ATF project and either get them to be an open and
transparent and Eclipse-like project or to reboot the project with a
different team that will be. This could be a really cool project for
Eclipse and the Eclipse community. But not as a closed-shop project with
an open source repository. It's not good for Eclipse and it's not good for
Webtools and it's not good for the ATF project itself.
Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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Eclipse Foundation
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Victor
We do generally have an open meeting. At this time the team is heads down
trying to get something out the door real soon and before I go on
vacation. We are just having impromptu meetings until we get over the
hump. I will send you a note, once we get the meetings started again. We
are obviously interested in people who would like to contribute to the
project.
...
Thanks
Bob
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Robert,
We are interested in the ATF Project and we would like to know if
the the project has Open Mettings. How we can participate from this
meetings?
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