Re: I am affronted by the presence of god
@Nocturnus
I find your morality argument quite interesting. Please do correct me if I am wrong here, but it sounds to me a lot like you are saying, that you cannot imagine living in a world with no ultimate moral standards.
I see one problem in particular with this, and that is, what then, if God doesn’t exist? I mean, whether or not you want to or can imagine living in a world with no God has no impact whether or not there is one, right?
Another interesting thing with God and morality is the Euthyphro Dilemma, which simply put goes like this:
Either something is good because God pronounces that it is good, which means that God can change what is good and bad anytime he wants, in which case my question to you would be “Would torture, murder and rape be moral if God said so tomorrow? And would you do it, why / why not?”
Or, God pronounces that a thing is good because it is good, in which case why do we need God? And here you have the exact same problem as atheist do, namely figuring out where morals come from.
I just find It much more realistic and simpler to understand if we say that morals are an ingrained attribute of humans, which we have evolved as a social species, and together we should strive towards a setting hour own moral goal, which we can evaluate our actions upon. I would suggest as many others the maximizing of health and wellbeing and the minimizing of the opposite. It is not perfect at all, but I think it works quite well, and I hope very few people would disagree with the statement. Now, why we should follow it? I think It is quite simple, while the universe or anything beyond our little tiny place in it might not care at all, we do, and that is what matters, it is, after all, our morality we are discussing.
I just don't really get the "why does anything matter" questions, I mean, I don't really think things matter in the great picture, but it definitely feels like things in my life and the lives of those around me matter to me, why isn't that enough. Does there really need to be some underlying reason to it all. If you really don't see any reason to live, to love and so on other than God, I really am sorry for you, and I think you should get some psychological help. Please believe me, when I say that I am not trying to insult anyone or anything like that, I just think you can unlock so much more in life if you find value in yourself, just because you are here in this world, it doesn't matter whether somebody put you here or not, whether somebody has a plan for you or not. We are here, and that is the thing that matters.
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