Another aspect of interest is liability insurance. Looking at the policy for Nimbus 2C GAW, I note that there is a $250,000 excess, which is covered by a GFA policy. I would be surprised if the GFA's insurance company would fork out for a claim against a non GFA member!
-- Brian Wade Personal Computer Concepts Uniform Time http://www.uniformtime.com.au PO Box 114 INDOOROOPILLY QLD 4068 Ph: 07 3371 2944 Fax: 07 3870 4103 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Bunting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Flying under CASA > Reginald Moore wrote: > > > I notice that some people are suggesting that members unhappy with > > flying under the GFA banner fly under CASA. > > H'mm. Been thinking a bit about how this would function from the > airworthiness side - only because it is the airworthiness side of gliding > that I'm involved with. > > GFA is, as I understand it, totally responsible for sailplane airworthiness > under delegation from CASA. CASA, as I understand it, do not issue sailplane > AD's, AN's etc. They probably receive a copy of each from GFA and someone in > that bureaucracy files it somewhere. As I understand it, the glider > manufacturer communicates directly with GFA regarding airworthiness matters > with CASA not involved in the loop - except as above. > > So, if a private owner wants to fly their glider outside of the GFA > environment, how would this work? > > Let's take a fr'instance. Mike Borgelt does not appear to be a GFA member, > according to the membership list. The CASA aircraft register has a Mike > Borgelt as the Certificate of Registration holder of a BD-4 and a Ventus C. > > As GFA is responsible for issuing sailplane airworthiness info, I would > imagine that GFA are obliged to issue AD's for Ventus' to the CofR holder > and you would not have to be a member of GFA for that to happen. The CofR > holder can also send their $137 to GFA and receive all the Form 2 info. So > Mike could then take all this to a "commercial" organisation approved by GFA > and have the Form 2 signed out and Mike's name appears on the Form 2 > documents. Nowhere, does it say that any of this stops if a GFA non-member > is involved. > > So Mike can let GFA members fly his aircraft quite happily and all is > "legal". In fact, Mike and friends could turn up at most (all?) gliding > sites and would probably be allowed to fly the Ventus. I doubt whether > anyone is asked if they are a GFA member. In fact Mike could probably > organise his own tug and pilot (or winch/autotow/bungee) and fly happily > outside the GFA system and no one would be any the wiser. I have personal > knowledge of gliders flying outside the system in the past (ie > 30 years > ago), just as I have seen GA aircraft, and pilots, that aren't part of the > CASA system - Australia is a big place. > > In fact, Cessna have a tow hook in their parts catalogue and it can be > fitted to any Cessna without any paperwork because it is already an > "approved" Cessna mod. I know that because I have been towed behind such a > Cessna - did I ask to see the tow pilot's credentials? No - but I understand > he is "in the system" and he was towing with his own aircraft - and this was > only weeks ago. > > Hence, if Mike wants to fly under CASA's "protection", how would CASA > organise the airworthiness side and how would CASA tell GFA that Mike's > Ventus now "belongs" to them and not GFA? Would CASA contact the glider > manufacturer to send them airworthiness info from which CASA would develop > their own AD's in parallel to GFA's and the Ventus' flying under GFA rules? > Or would CASA leach off the GFA system? A system Mike wants nothing to do > with. Could GFA charge CASA for the airworthiness info that GFA have > developed and processed? Etc, etc, etc. It all seems to be a can of worms. > > Lots of questions and if any of the above is wrong, then I'm sure that I'll > be put "right". > > Good thermals, > > Leigh Bunting > Colonel Light Gardens > South Australia > <Open Windows and let the bugs in> > > > > > -- > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > > -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
