Jason, >From the link: "In music, sampling is the act of taking a portion of one sound recording and reusing it as an instrument in a new recording"
To me this sounds completely different to what we are discussing.... Nick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Armistead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Movies > Nick > > As a mobile DJ for 12 years BC (Before Children !), I remember all too well > the song "Pump Up The Volume" by MARRs which hit the dance floors way back in > 1987. > > It consisted almost totally of samples cleverly joined together, but after > becoming a night club hit, the lawyers for all the artists they'd sampled got > involved and the group disappeared from the charts forever. > > Even today, there are big dollars exchanged before artists use samples from > other tunes, and most of those are a few seconds long. > > For a bit more perspective on the issue, see the following web site: > > http://www.informationblast.com/Sampling_(music).html > > I do not profess a knowledge of the present Australian laws relating to > copyright, but APRA, the Australasian Performing Rights Association, do not > seem to agree with Lisa Turner on this. > > To quote from http://www.apra.com.au/licence/recfaqs.htm: > > "Sampling a small section of another recording is subject to the approval of > the publisher who owns the copyright in the song and the record company that > owns the copyright in the sound recording that has been copied. It is usually > advisable to provide the publisher and record company with a demonstration > tape of your intended usage with a clear explanation of how the sample is > used to assist them in making their decision. The publisher and record > company will advise whether your intended use of the sample may go ahead and > the relevant conditions and licence fees. " > > If we are going to promote gliding, then not only does the flying on the > video need to be lawful, but the use of the background music also. Otherwise > the "GFA Millions" might be eroded by a single lawsuit claiming breach of > copyright. > > > Cheers > > Jason Armistead > > > On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:09:07 +1000, Nick Gilbert wrote > > Lisa Turner tells me that you can use whatever music you like, as > > long as it is for 30 seconds or less. I'm sure if you picked 29 > > second graps of songs that fit what is going on in the video with > > some dialogue it might sound OK.Certainly better than silence. > > > > Nick. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Armistead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:19 PM > > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Movies > > > > > Adam > > > > > > One of the great problems with "cool music" is that it costs BIG $$$ to > > > license its use legally. > > > > > > A few years ago at our Forbes summer camp, a local who did all sorts of > > > documentaries, etc. came out and filmed during a day or two's flying, all > > > using professional equipment. He got a couple of flights in a two-seater, > > > and took some air-to-air footage as well. > > > > > > When edited it came down to just 6 minutes and 15 seconds of footage. > > > > > > Unfortunately, he added as backing music the remix of the Kenny Loggins > > > track "Playing with the Boys", from the Top Gun soundtrack. It was not > > > licensed, so effectively we got left with some well-edited gliding footage > > on > > > DV tape without a usable soundtrack. > > > > > > I made some inquiries regarding the licensing fees, and we were looking at > > > well over $10K in US Dollars. So bye, bye to that idea. And that was for > > a > > > song which was released in 1986. Try and pick up the rights to a song > > > released recently and you might get a very nasty surprise at the cost. > > > > > > One of our members who was in the TV production game got a friend who does > > > studio music for their programs to create a sound-alike track, different > > > enough to avoid the lawyers, but still with the same catchy sort of tune > > > (enough to recognise its origins). However, to edit that back onto the > > tape > > > also means I have to re-capture the other sounds of tugs taking off and > > > taxiing, varios making that wonderful beep, beep noise, etc. This is > > simply > > > not a trivial exercise, so until I get some serious time to spend on it, > > it > > > remains an unfinished project. > > > > > > I sent a CD with the video converted to Windows Media format to Terry > > Cubley, > > > the GFA Development Officer, with a suggestion that footage like ours > > might > > > make a better promotion of the sport than re-hashed footage from Lucy > > Learns > > > to Fly, but that it required GFA to spend serious $$$ if they wanted a > > well- > > > known soundtrack behind it. My idea never flew ... but at least I tried. > > > > > > If someone out there is prepared to host the Windows Media version of this > > > video, then I would try and do a quick edit of the soundtrack so that it > > > could be viewed by those interested in this sort of project. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jason Armistead > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:14:26 +1000, Adam Woolley wrote > > > > G'day SDF and all, > > > > > > > > I've got a great clip of the UK Juniors just doing 'Competition > > > > Finishes', close formation flying and aerobatics! Goes for 15 > > > > minutes and is action pacted with cool background music! You can > > > > check their website out at www.smokinvid.co.uk > > > > > > > > The juniors of Aus are hoping to do something very simular so we can > > > > promote gliding to all ages, but mostly the under 30's! Just need a > > > > couple of camera's now and we'll be able to get cracking! > > > > > > > > I'm just in the process of organising a uni student from the > > > > Sunshine Coast to come to the Aussie Junior Nats and tape the whole > > > > event! This is so we can get some professional footage to make a > > > > promotional (What is gliding etc), exciting 'competition finish', > > > > and a celebration of the FUN times had at the comp video's! > > > > Hopefully we'll have this on DVD and VHS. > > > > > > > > The reason for organising this, is that I've seen so many cool > > > > video's of hang-gliding and wanted to get something started like > > > > this for all gliding competitions! I think we should definately try > > > > to get something going for the Multi-Class Nats in Dalby, possibly > > > > a uni student and pay for their accom and meals?? but the key point > > > > is that we get some shots of ladies cruising around the grids in > > bikini's!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Adam Woolley > > > > Woolley Pup Pup > > > > > > > > P.s. I don't know how exciting a diamond height gain would be, but > > > > the other's sound great! Just needs lots of colours, good music > > > > (non of this opera stuff) and FUN times! > > > > > > > > >From: "skf1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > > > > >Australia."<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > > > > >Australia.'"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Wicket Cam for Gliding Movie > > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:31:34 +1000 > > > > > > > > > >Guys and Gals, > > > > > > > > > >What is the scope and target audience of the proposed Gliding Movie? > > > > > > > > > >The reason I am asking is, I have recently seen some great sport > > > > >presentations 30 to 60 minutes on sports including paragliding, > > canoeing, > > > > >scuba, and they make the activities look very exciting. I have not > > seen > > > > >any > > > > >similar footage on gliding. But I am sure that the right people with > > the > > > > >right equipment could make our sport look exciting. Some one > > preparation > > > > >for > > > > >a long cross country, a safari, or a diamond height gain where no one > > has > > > > >done one before. > > > > > > > > > >Personally I would like to see all our competitions filmed in a similar > > way > > > > >we see cycling, car rallies, and other sports that are not contained in > > an > > > > >arena filmed and packaged. The complete event is then presented in 40 > > to 60 > > > > >minutes of footage - I believe that a Gliding Comp could be made to > > look > > > > >very exciting. > > > > > > > > > >This kind of exposure would educate people that we don't fly round and > > > > >round > > > > >over airfields and it is a serious sport. This should attract people to > > > > >gliding who may have written the sport off as not for them because of > > > > >misconceptions. That's the dream - can we make it reality? > > > > > > > > > >What do think > > > > > > > > > >SDF > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Love Movies? You'll love HomeScreen. Rental DVDs - no late fees! 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