re: IS28 droping in unintentionally from a thermal .. it definitely will, because I did exactly that on an early solo! .. it also loses a fair bit of height being on the heavy side .. I've never done it since then though, so it must have scared me sufficiently ..
--- Derek Ruddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spin proof? Our new DG1000 spins like a top! > > I learnt to spin off the top of the winch in the UK, > in a K7. It's a very different kettle of fish, as > Harry notes, starting a spin at 1300 feet or so. > Perhaps some of the accidents there were caused by > instructors expecting the Pooch to recover like a > K13 or K7. > > Regarding the IS28, I've spun them hundreds of > times, and only had it tuck once. I've never been > concerned with the spin characteristics of the 28, > and recovery is always immediate. > I've also never had a 28 drop into an incipient spin > when thermalling, unlike a Pooch. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of McLean Richard > Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:04 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT > to spin for fun) > > Hi all - I thought we trained people to recover from > spins because although our nice shiny new trainers > are > "spin-proof" most of our aging single seater fleet > that the majority of inexperienced club pilots will > fly are not? I just spent the weekend conducting > spin-training in a puchacz ... and I did my own > ab-initio training in an IS-28 ..the puch is much > nicer to spin =) i don't "enjoy" spinning, but I'm > definitely a better pilot for it. > > - Richard McLean > > --- Mark Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Harry Medlicott wrote: > > > > > Spinning accidents don't normally happen at > > altitude, it is the ones close > > > to the ground that cause the accidents. Training > > at altitude undertaking a > > > number of turns might be fun but I doubt if it > > saves many lives. What is > > > needed is plenty of practice at instantly taking > > the appropriate recovery > > > action when a spin is developing and, yes, > > preferably when and if the real > > > thing happens, you are flying a docile glider. > > > Why make life harder than we need to? > > > > ANY flying activity close to the ground is more > > hazardous than flying > > a long way away from the ground. > > > > When you're a long way away from the ground, the > > only things that can > > hurt you are overstressing the aircraft, hitting > > another aircraft, or > > climbing high enough to become hypoxic (which > > usually causes one of > > the other effects) > > > > When you're close to the ground, there are all > > manner of other > > miscalculations and bad judgement calls which can > > get you in trouble > > by causing rapid height loss. If the rapid height > > loss doesn't > > terminate abruptly upon contact with geography, > the > > pilots options > > are still limited by the loss, which might result > in > > a high-risk, > > badly-planned, unexpected outlanding. > > > > If an aircraft's flight manual says it can spin, I > > see no reason not > > to spin it -- And furthermore, I see no reason not > > to enjoy it. Just > > like you can enjoy loops, chandelles, steep turns > > and whatever other > > aerobatic maneuver the flight manual says you can > > do. However, as with > > any other aerobatic maneuver, you should know your > > aircraft and plan > > what you're doing with full appreciation of your > > abilities and > > potential failings before you start, and you > should > > conduct those > > options with adequate, well thought-out safety > > margins. > > > > (hmm - that isn't actually limited to aerobatics, > is > > it :-) > > > > We're "making life harder than we need to" if we > > conduct any > > activity at all which limits our options when > close > > to the ground. > > I know a lot of people who have a great time > > spinning gliders, but > > I don't know anyone who would do it below 1,500', > > whether they're > > in an IS-28, a Puchacz or anything else. > > > > We teach pilots to perform turns at varying speeds > > and bank angles, > > we stuff up their circuits, we simulate cable > > breaks, we talk them > > through stalls -- These are all things which > aren't > > part of *normal* > > flight, but which teach the trainee that when > things > > aren't normal > > they can still extract themselves from the > situation > > safely and > > confidently. Why doens't a multi-turn spin at > > height fit into that > > mold? And if it does, how can you say that you > > doubt it saves > > many lives? > > > > - mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This communication, including any attachments, is > confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you should not > read it - please > contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy > or use any part of > this communication or disclose anything about it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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