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Thanks Graeme,
I've already done that with John and
we've exchanged a few emails.
I understand that John has
contacted as many interested members that he could find to get
opinions on this issue and he deserves credit for that.
I am advised that John has been
given 10 minutes at the seminar on Flarm.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:11
PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] More
information on Flarm-reply to Wombat
>From: "Geoff Kidd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Surely a "fair dinkum" discussion of all of the issues about Flarm
>would benefit from Nigel and others being there to allow discussion of
the
>genuine technical issues.
>
>
If they are not there, any discussion is prone to be highjacked by
>misinformation, myth and academic double negative navel
gazing.
>
> I hope & trust that this
Flarm issue is not being "managed" by our
>leaders, rather than having
a genuine technically correct forum discussion
>........ where that GFA
Seminar would have been an ideal location to get
>right into it and
give every attendee a full understanding of the issues
>....... if
there was time of course. After all we are only dealing with a
>way to
reduce mid-airs, so perhaps several other matters are more
>important.
Well, Geoff, this is part of what typing FLARM into
the search box on the
GFA home page got me (in 2 seconds via
Google):
...The following actions are in progress:
- The Operations
Panel and Sports Committee are evaluating processes and
solutions.
- A
trial of loaned FLARM equipment at the Multi-class Nationals at Gawler
is
under negotiation by ASC.
- An Australian Avionics company is in
negotiation with FLARM to locally
produce units.
- The GFA Board will
consider the issue fully after input from the above
actions (no decision
has been made yet)
Issues already identified are:
- Risk
management
- Safety Case
- International standardisation
-
Practicability
- Cost effectiveness
Any solution will only be a
support to adequate Lookout. See: Safety
breifing
Any member
wishing input to the process, please submit it to the Executive
Officer,
as below.
John Welsh
Executive Officer
Gliding Federation of
Australia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mob: 041 794
5981 (CDMA)
10 Merton Road,
Roleystone, WA 6111.
Now you have his
name, address, phone number and email. He'll be giving up
his
weekend to be at the seminar. Anything you'd like to say is probably
much better said to him directly than on this forum. Give him a
call. Warn
him about the pitfalls of misinformation and myth and
double negative
academic navel-gazing. He's fairly new. He
probably doesn't realise how
some of his members get fixated on a pet
hobby horse and try to hijack
discussions.
:)
> Seminar is defined in the Macquarie as
a "meeting organised to discuss
>a specific topic". Is part of that to
be a discussion on Flarm ..... or
>just some presentations that mention
the subject?
Why not ask John? See what it says "...Any member
wishing input to the
process, please submit it to the Executive
Officer".
Graeme
Cant
>
>Geoff
>
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
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Ltd
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.'
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:02
AM
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] More information on Flarm-reply
to Wombat
>
>
> Hi
Mike,
>
> Nice that the GFA are having this meeting, I
offered to come and present
> FLARM and ADS-B from a
manufacturers and a developers prospective but
>they
> didn't see it necessary. Strange seeing as I
attend Airservices and CASA
>
meetings.
>
>
Nigel
>
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> -----Original
Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mike
> Cleaver
> Sent: Wednesday,
September 14, 2005 11:48 PM
> To: Discussion of issues
relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re:
[Aus-soaring] More information on Flarm
>
>
>
Geoff & others
>
> Given that FLARM is a topic for
the GFA Seminar with the AGM this
> coming weekend, to be
presented by the new Executive Officer John
> Welsh (being a
retired Air Traffic Controller he has some technical
>
knowledge of systems and separation as well as being a
very
> experienced glider pilot), but with Pete & Mandy
giving a
> presentation on their experiences in France as
well there will be
> some useful
discussion.
>
> However, if you want to buy one for
yourself (provided a suitable
> operating frequency is
available) then just remember caveat emptor -
> let the
buyer beware - before a proper evaluation is
> done.
Personally, I would prefer to wait until the research has
been
> done, the training issues identified, and the
equipment compatibility
> with other technologies has been
developed.
>
> But I doubt that it will take very
long.
>
> Wombat
>
>
>
At 15:59 14/09/2005, you wrote:
> >Have just read he
"Report from Friedrichshafen" by Dave Nadler in
> >the
Sept issue of SSA Soaring.
> >
>
>There he says that Flarm is a not-for-profit organisation. I was
not
> >aware of that.
>
>
> >He also says that 450 Flarms were flying at end
2004 ...... with
> >2600 shipped since then (I assume
this is to Countries he lists below).
>
>
> >Based on his advice that there are 1200 Gliders
in Switzerland, 500
> >in Austria and 7000 in Germany and
if the above assumption is
> >correct, that means they
have a take-up rate that may be as high as
> >35% in a
comparatively short time.
> >
> >But
WE need to evaluate whether this is worthwhile.
>
>
> >I can understand that there is an issue re
frequencies and Dave
> >mentions that as an issue for the
USA, as well as Product Liability
> >Insurance for the
US, ............ but does anyone really think that
> >it
needs a great deal of evaluation when the Europeans pilots
and
> >owners are voting with their
wallets.
> >
> >But I guess that
someone will still argue, as they did recently on
> >this
forum, that Flarm shouldn't be adopted here because they
will
> >promote poor lookout practice ... and double
negatives.
> >
> >Save for the
technical issues ............. LET'S GET ON WITH THEIR
>
>ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION HERE, and try to save a life or
2.
> >
> >Is the GFA talking with
the Insurers yet?
>
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