I am not sure but believe there are certain nose wheel gliders that are difficult to ground loop (KRO3A just goes straight when nose wheel is on ground and no way can you steer it). Perhaps as such aircraft come into the country they could be fitted with the "dutch wire lifting bar" to inside of canopy as part of MAR1 at import (like pull up seat belts etc). The dutch have done engineering and ALL dutch gliders have same. I do know Paul Mathews had same fitted to one of his gliders when flying around Gulcong and said it is easy to get to use.

Just a thought...........Ian McPhee
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Parncutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality


Given the amount of incidents which have occurred with aerodrome perimeter
fences especially in gliding,  perhaps thought should be given to changing
the design of these fences to make them more forgiving.
Possibilities may include some sort of weak link system in each wire or
perhaps sprung sections which may allow the canopy to deflect the wire.

I'm sure there is enough ingenuity within the gliding movement to come up
with some ideas to make these fences safer whilst still performing their
function.

John Parncutt



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Taylor
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:24 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality

Good call, Mitch.

The only addition I would like to make is that it seems the pilot/instructor
had very few options... he was released at low altitude without enough
energy to clear the fence, and (thinking through the evidence I have heard)
with a downburst happening somewhere behind him. This leaves him with an
increasing tailwind, and if he was touching down somewhere near the stall,
he is approaching the fence with no control response, in a
nosewheel-equipped glider. He DID try to groundloop, with no response.

Very tough for all, especially the instructor.

BT.


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To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
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Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality


Fair comment, Ron, however in this case we should perhaps refrain  from
any judgement (deliberate or otherwise) until a more suitable  time. I
would like to offer my condolences to the family of the  student and let
my good friends at LKSC know that they are in my  thoughts as they deal
with the aftermath of this accident.

Mitch.


On 25/02/2007, at 9:05 PM, Ron Sanders wrote:

Even if you have only got five feet to run before the fence YOU MUST
initiate a ground loop.

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