Hi Ian Good point. No one has experimented to establish at what speed a Puchatek (and perhaps many other nose-wheel gliders) lose elevator & rudder authority. John Viney agrees we should do this experiment. If the LKSC Puchatek is written off it would be a good opportunity to do this test - I have passed on the idea to the committee.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian McPhee Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 9:56 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality I am not sure but believe there are certain nose wheel gliders that are difficult to ground loop (KRO3A just goes straight when nose wheel is on ground and no way can you steer it). Perhaps as such aircraft come into the country they could be fitted with the "dutch wire lifting bar" to inside of canopy as part of MAR1 at import (like pull up seat belts etc). The dutch have done engineering and ALL dutch gliders have same. I do know Paul Mathews had same fitted to one of his gliders when flying around Gulcong and said it is easy to get to use. Just a thought...........Ian McPhee ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Parncutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > Given the amount of incidents which have occurred with aerodrome perimeter > fences especially in gliding, perhaps thought should be given to changing > the design of these fences to make them more forgiving. > Possibilities may include some sort of weak link system in each wire or > perhaps sprung sections which may allow the canopy to deflect the wire. > > I'm sure there is enough ingenuity within the gliding movement to come up > with some ideas to make these fences safer whilst still performing their > function. > > John Parncutt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce > Taylor > Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 8:24 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > > Good call, Mitch. > > The only addition I would like to make is that it seems the > pilot/instructor > had very few options... he was released at low altitude without enough > energy to clear the fence, and (thinking through the evidence I have > heard) > with a downburst happening somewhere behind him. This leaves him with an > increasing tailwind, and if he was touching down somewhere near the stall, > he is approaching the fence with no control response, in a > nosewheel-equipped glider. He DID try to groundloop, with no response. > > Very tough for all, especially the instructor. > > BT. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitchell Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE: Another fatality > > >> Fair comment, Ron, however in this case we should perhaps refrain from >> any judgement (deliberate or otherwise) until a more suitable time. I >> would like to offer my condolences to the family of the student and let >> my good friends at LKSC know that they are in my thoughts as they deal >> with the aftermath of this accident. >> >> Mitch. >> >> >> On 25/02/2007, at 9:05 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: >> >>> Even if you have only got five feet to run before the fence YOU MUST >>> initiate a ground loop. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/703 - Release Date: 2/26/2007 > 2:56 PM > > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
