Nick said,

"He wasn't asking if it was necessary to have the latest and greatest to 
win, he was asking if there was an advantage"

Oh gee was he really? <shock, horror>

I would have thought the winner using an older relatively low performance
glider would be most relevant to show that it was no great advantage to have
a higher performance glider, (as others who didn't beat him did) and that
the skill of the pilot probably counts for a lot more than the performance
of the glider.

Silly old me, I assumed when he said "advantage", he meant he would do
better results wise in the comp, at least that was how a competition
advantage was defined as I remember it. Is there some new definition of
advantage I am not aware of?

Todd said:

"James didn't win cause he was in an Astir. he won cause he is really good.
If he was in a better glider he would have won by a whole lot more"

Yep, that's exactly my point Todd, it was pilot skill, not the performance
of the glider that won that comp. 

Regards

Dave




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He wasn't asking if it was necessary to have the latest and greatest to 
win, he was asking if there was an advantage.

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Hi all,

Errmmm Ash, would that be why the last JG was won by James Dutchke flying 
an
Astir CS77 with only 100kg max of ballast? Not what I would have thought 
as
a latest and greatest glider.(-:

Regards

Dave L
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Hi

Not sure this has much to do with the rest of the conversation but here 
goes. Any thoughts??

Having a better glider at a comp like JG for instance would be a good 
advantage. I did some thinking and have worked out a theory its top 
secret but thats why im telling people. As far as i know the Joey glide 
comp uses club class handicaps which is fine but we are also able to 
carry water and i don't think there is any extra penalty for this. So if 
you take an older glider like your std cirrus and put a whole 60l in 
there then take your Discus2 or LS-8 and put 200l the better glider has 
way more of an advantage. So at a comp like JG you would be better off 
trying to get hold of the latest and greatest, am i right?


Ash




Mal Bruce wrote:
> Nigel said
> I seem to remember Michael Sommer doing pretty well in an SZD55 at 
Gulgong
-
> against LS8 and alike, was it 2004?
>
> 2004 did they have an 18 meter class ? http://www.mals.net/gulgong NO
> Lucky they had the international pilots to have enough numbers for the
comp.
>
> Nigel said
> The glider dosenth makeith the pilot, in other words having the latest 
and
> greatest is not the be all to end all, also remember Shane Mcaffrey 
doing
> pretty well in a hornet in standard class at a Kingaroy nats - not to 
long
> ago either. These pilots show raw ability.
>
> I remember doing well my 301 libelle .
>
> I have a new V2cx but I think I flew better when I used to borrow my 
mates
> LS7!
>
> And will you be flying your latest and greatest in 18 meter class at the 

> Nationals ?
>
> Mal
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