Bernie,
Your correct; Im very close to retirement age (some would
suggest past it),
own my own glider yet still have problems getting to camps and comps; in
fact I have
never competed because of the leave planning issues and I will have serious
scheduling
issues getting enough time off to attend our club camp this year; that will
change post
retirement.
Point being most of us have been in your position one way or another and
there is no
simple answer with so many competing agendas. I also dont believe anyone
could de-conflict
every event, but having a centralised calendar would enable people to make
decisions and plan,
and as one person has already pointed out its great to see so many events
available to members
and so many events fully subscribed.
Regardless of if an event is on the GFA Calender or not, and a good event
organisers will employ multiple
avenues to promote their event, we cant attend them all, there are
insufficient hours in the year; the important
thing is that you attend the ones you want to ;)
SDF
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie &
Sue
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 6:32 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Hi all.
Thanks Ross, I'm happy to be corrected on the points that you make, but
there is still nothing on next years calender & this is the point I'm trying
to make.
I would imagine that the clubs & state bodies would have a good idea of what
events they are running next season.
I would expect that the approximate dates of these events are known by
someone, just not everyone.
While most people do not need 12 months to get organised to compete etc, it
is good to have the info in hand well in advance.
Even if next years events were posted by say, mid year, in a similar format
to the one you have below, it would be of great help to everyone.
Thanks Stuart, the people of my age & younger are tomorrows competitors etc,
yet we do not seem to be given much of a chance.
Who takes a week or more off work more than once per year, drives several
hundred Km's without the wife & kids at only a months notice, and stays
married / employed ?
I do not mean to be critical, I just think that there is room for
improvement.
Cheers.
Bernie.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross McLean <mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au>
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Actually, my apologies, I have just been corrected regarding Women In
Gliding Week and Squad Week (thank you Mandy).
Women in Gliding is before Benalla this year 31st Dec to 6th Jan and Squad
Week is 19th to 25th March.
So my point is that apart from the three events that are always scheduled at
the same time of year, Horsham Week, Narromine Cup and Qld Easter Comps,
only four Australian events have been scheduled for 2013.
Cheers, ROSS
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 3:33 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Hi Bernie
Good point but, your statement that most if not all comps & training camps
for next season are already known, is actually not correct.
Events for 2012 that I know are scheduled at this point are:
1. FAI Worlds/Pre-Worlds
32nd Un-Flapped Pre-World Gliding Championships Argentina 8-20 January 2012
32nd Flapped World Gliding Championships USA 4-19 August 2012
2. MultiClass Nationals
50th Multi Class Nationals Narromine 30 Jan 10 Feb 2012
3. ClubClass Nationals
31st Club, Sports & 20m 2-Seat Class Nationals Benalla 2-13 January 2012
4. Horsham Week
Horsham Week Horsham Airfield 4-11 February 2012
Vic Coaching Week (runs during Horsham Week)
5. Qld Easter Comps (obviously held over Easter but I dont think a
venue has been nominated yet)
6. Narromine Cup
Narromine Cup Week 19-23 November 2012
7. Women In Gliding Week
Women In Gliding Week at Benalla immediately before the Club Class in
January 2012
The remaining 2012 events are, to my knowledge, currently unscheduled:
1. FAI World Grand Prix
2. Junior Nationals (Joeyglide)
3. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix
4. Squad Week 19th to 25th March
5. Speed Week
6. Lake Keepit Regatta
7. SA Coaching Week
8. Qld State Comps
9. NSW State Comps
10. Vic State Comps
11. SA State Comps
12. WA State Comps
Regards, ROSS
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie &
Sue
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:14 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Hi All.
I think a lot of people are missing the point about the calender.
As far as I know, most if not all comps & training camps for next season are
already known, yet they do not appear on the GFA website calender, WHY ?
It only needs to be a tag which links to the club website containing the
details.
It takes a long time to organise holidays for yourself, re-organise work
shedules or holidays for your wife & get the grandparents etc organised so
that they can help out with getting kids on/off buses or to after school
events & activities.
At the moment it would seem as though the events calender is organised by a
person who is single with no dependants, no work, someone who can jump up &
go off to a comp at any time.
While I'm at it, can we have a calender that is layed out for the whole
season so that all comps & camps are shown. (Not one month only).
With this type of calender anyone can see at a glance what events are on at
any time throughout the season, I have provided an example as this is how
the aero model guys do their calenders. They also have mutiple
comps/training/events on at anyone time, yet they can show this for a whole
season, well in advance of that season, on one calender, why cann't we ?
If events clash, so be it, choose the one's you want to attend, I'm sure
that clashes are avoided as best is possible.
If today we could see that a clash occurs in the 2012/2013 season, there
would be time to re-organise, it may be to late come next December to do
anything.
Being organised doesn't just happen, it's needs to be planned for.
Cheers.
Bernie.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shirley <mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net>
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike,
The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just
dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they
deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean is the current
chair.
The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of
National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations
or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and
sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so
can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club
Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass.
And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we
had only one Nationals and not three.
It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark
to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries.
In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are
so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the
case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host
them.
What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding
events of all types at present. It's probably better to have this problem
than the other one.
Cheers
Tim
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Mike we already have there here in Canberra ;)
Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions
Co-ordinating Committee.
These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC.
So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time
slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the
conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few
WA pilots go to Nationals.
You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for
annual leave applications etc.
A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've
forgotten you ever knew.
Mike
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