There is no penalty for flopping there – you are free to use the Aerodrome if it is a requirement to land there. Of course some charges may apply, but without an engine it could be argued it was an emergency and they may be waivered :)
ASIC’s were never intended to invoke in an Operator a “Pause” for consideration, under any level of reasonable duress, wether to use the aerodrome or land in the paddock next to it due to not having an ASIC – However given the attitudes of most of the Dill’s tasked with upholding the law the Paddock is probably: a. More convenient b. A carton of Beer to the land owner, cheaper than across the road. c. No Taxi surcharge applied. Mostly everyone is allowed to operate from a security controlled airport, without an ASIC, with prior arrangement, notwithstanding other operational caveats – Controlled airspace etc. I’m pretty confident all the drivers of those N registered Gulfstream’s and Challengers aren’t wearing an ASIC – I wonder what the reciprocal document is…… In fact how do all the “international” Business Jets handle this – it would be an interesting line of questioning in regards to the whole ASIC issue. What’s good for the Gander should surely be good for the Goose. As for fines levied by Gov – 500 or 5000. If flopping in due to operational requirements, probably none. However to come back without an ASIC and attempt to operate from there then 5K it is, if anyone cares. Cheers John From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013 12:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Petition to remove ASIC What are the penalties/sanctions if you flop on a RPT aerodrome in a non motorised glider because the day dies for example. I ask only out of curiosity and laziness to research. From: <mailto:p...@mander.net.au> Paul Mander Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:21 AM To: <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Petition to remove ASIC Hi Bob, seems it was a Phurhpy. Here is the latest from our CFI: I have researched the issues behind the petition re ASIC cards and am now understand what it behind this. Firstly, as Paul Mander pointed out I was not clear in my previous note. We do not have an exemption from the ASIC card but we do have an exemption from the AVID card. The ASIC card allows access to security areas in airfields. The AVID card is part of a power licence and is a security clearance for a pilot. This proposal effectively asks to replace the ASIC card with the AVID card – which could have raised the issue that we have an exemption from the AVID card. To cut a long story short this proposal does not create the problems I was concerned about and is benign. So by all means respond and add your name to the list. Apologies for making this matter complex but there was a possibility that this would create problems for us. All clear now? Happy Christmas, Paul From: <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bob Ward Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 7:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Petition to remove ASIC Paul, What does he mean that Sports aviation pilots do not require an ASIC ? When I land my RV7A at any RPT serviced airport, I certainly require an ASIC. When Pam and Gerrit recently used several RPT serviced airports on the way to Burketown and return, I understand that they were required to produce their ASIC more than once? I am sure that this guy has it wrong. Regards Bob Ward From: <mailto:p...@mander.net.au> Paul Mander Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:14 PM To: <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' ; <mailto:c...@ddsc.org.au> 'DDSC Chat' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Petition to remove ASIC Our CFI has sent a note to our club (BSC) membership recommending that no one should sign the petition to remove the ASIC requirement. Here is his advice: Be aware that sport aviation pilots do not have to hold an ASIC card. Raising this issue with no research to show that the Government is likely to listen may only put our exemption at risk. So far as I know there is no intention on the behalf of the Government to relax security restrictions - far from it as I understand it. AOPA does not support the air sport organisations or self-administration. I do not understand why AOPA is acting on behalf of sport Aviation with out our knowledge. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT GET INVOLVED UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. If AOPA wants our support they know very well who to come to. Anyone know about this? I’ll be taking it up with him, of course, and will advise accordingly. From: <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Thursday, 19 December 2013 7:36 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'DDSC Chat' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Petition to remove ASIC Ladies & Gents, The following is a link to a petition to abolish the ASIC card: <http://tinyurl.com/removeASIC> http://tinyurl.com/removeASIC I contend that ASIC Cards are an unnecessary impost, particularly in the light that a risk assessment (in my view) would determine a very low or negligible effective deterrent against terrorist or subversive intentions; I frankly resent the implication that we, who are properly identified during training & work hard to gain our qualifications, then are required to submit to further ID checks with the dubious privilege of paying for same. Please consider your support for the petition & circulate to colleagues. Thanks, PeterS _____ _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _____ _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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