I haven't seen a reason given yet. I've seen evasion, obfuscation, less than the whole truth and stonewalling.

I've met and done business with quite a few people who are PPLs or higher who have contemplated going gliding. Some own several powered aircraft and their own airfields even but when told they have to join a club and have 200 hours "under supervision" (enough for a commercial licence in the power world) they instantly lose interest. In most cases they've already visited gliding clubs and aren't impressed by what they see. Ask Eddie Madden at Tocumwal. He runs an RAAus school as well as a gliding operation. He keeps getting asked by the RAAus students about gliding. Some have expressed an interest in buying a self launcher and taking it home to the farm. When told about the GFA system, they buy an ultralight. Eddie sees them every 2 years for a bi annual check.

"Well I have been involved in gliding for some fourteen years now, with a reasonably sized club and I am yet to encounter any pilot being too worried about being classed as "second class aviator"."

Hardly surprising when you think about it.

THE PEOPLE WHO *ARE* WORRIED AREN'T FLYING GLIDERS.

They either never started for the reasons above or have been driven away.

Which if you think about it some more is one of the reasons for "the fragile state of participation in gliding".

Mike





At 10:50 AM 2/09/2014, you wrote:

On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation <<mailto:ec...@internode.on.net>ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:


Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your
thinking, please?


​Bernard

There were about 80 emails written on this topic over the last few days all saying about the same thing, all written by the same few contributors. It would seem to me that if you need them to "let you know their thinking" once again, then perhaps you have not read their contribution carefully enough.

Frankly, I am more interested in maintaining a simple and inexpensive system to fly gliders in Australia. Given the fragile state of of participation in gliding I fear that any rise in complexity and / or cost will simply drive more people away. You say "When our newcomers realise that they will always be treated as second class aviators we can't blame them when they vote with their feet." Well I have been involved in gliding for some fourteen years now, with a reasonably sized club and I am yet to encounter any pilot being too worried about being classed as "second class aviator".Â


Cheers

Paul
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