Nobody is proposing that the gliding
communes/collectives be banned. I couldn't care
less what they do. Good luck to them. They do
have a certain rustic charm as living museums.
I do, however, object to them being made
compulsory and having the powers of the State
behind them to prohibit any alternative
organisations or non organisations for that matter.
The people turning their backs on GA power flying
have the RAAus to go to. Gliding people fed up
with the GFA system have nowhere to go.
You've just heard from a few people who used to
fly gliders who don't any more or are thinking seriously of giving up.
If these people got gliding licences and their
operations show up the legacy system in a bad
light that is a problem for the supporters of the
legacy system to worry about and to fix their own operation.
Mike
At 02:29 PM 2/09/2014, you wrote:
Hi Bernard
No I do not.Â
Firstly, the issue of a check flight. I do not
see that the two situations are analogous.
Generally, but granted not exclusively, the
check flight is for pilots wishing to fly a club
aircraft. I think that every club has the right
to protect their equipment. Secondly, a pilot
landing at an airfield is no different to a
motorist on a road. If you have the appropriate
qualifications, you can enjoy the rights that
those qualifications entitle you to. Launching
from a club airfield, you are joining an
operation. I think that the operation, read
club, has rights, that are et least equal to yours.Â
As for the costs, I am simply in no position to
support mine or refute your arguments. However I
do know that there is an entire industry in
Europe to help individuals / companies to deal
with the regulation bloat, at a considerable
cost. Equally, an increase in regulation also
leads to an increase in corruption. I do not see either as desirable.
Finally a number of posters indicated that we
may be losing potential glider pilots, because
the GFA rules, yet I see people turning their
backs on power flying, often citing cost
(medicals etc.) and complexity as a reason. I do
not know how the numbers stack up, but chances
are that neither do you. So it is just a
speculation used to prop someones point of view.
Frankly I have seen no empirical data to support
any point of view, or to make conclusions about
the detrimental or beneficial influence on
glider pilot retention / loss from the current rules.Â
Cheers
Paul
On 2 September 2014 13:43, Future Aviation
<<mailto:ec...@internode.on.net>ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Hello Paul
Â
Thank you! This is the sort of feedback I was hoping for.
If my interpretation of this tread is correct
previous discussions revolved mainly about competition licences and not
about operations of competent glider pilots without instructor oversight.
Â
Letâs put this side issue aside and focus on
your concerns about a ârise in complexity
and/or costâ for now. This is quite
simply unfounded as it was made very clear that
glider pilots not aspiring to a licence can continue to operate as usual
and without an additional cost burden.
Â
The real issue is bringing gliding in line with
international standards and long established practices of other Australian
aviation bodies. The question remains, why
canât properly licensed glider pilots be treated exactly like fully licensed
power pilots? Can you imagine a power pilot
being asked for a check flight on landing at another airfield?
Â
Can you see my point now?
Â
Kind regards
Â
BernardÂ
Â
Â
Â
Â
Â
Â
From:
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net>aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 10:20 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Â
Â
On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation
<<mailto:ec...@internode.on.net>ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Â
Â
Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your
thinking, please?
Â
âBernard
Â
There were about 80 emails written on this topic
over the last few days all saying about the same
thing, all written by the same few contributors.
It would seem to me that if you need them to
"let you know their thinking" once again, then
perhaps you have not read their contribution carefully enough.
Â
Frankly, I am more interested in maintaining a
simple and inexpensive system to fly gliders in
Australia. Given the fragile state of of
participation in gliding I fear that any rise in
complexity and / or cost will simply drive more
people away. You say "When our newcomers realise
that they will always be treated as second
class aviators we can't blame them when they
vote with their feet." Well I have been involved
in gliding for some fourteen years now, with a
reasonably sized club and I am yet to encounter
any pilot being too worried about being classed as "second class aviator".Â
Â
Â
Cheers
Paul
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