“Merit-based selection” False equivalences #metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??) “Virtue signalling”
Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone? On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy <james.t...@agilityapplications.com> wrote: > Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that > is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this > thread with a particular keen interest. > > > > Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender > diversity’ was going to get pushed. > > > > Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. > Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you > start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely > on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy > subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’ > > > > If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all > selected on their merits. > > > > Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely > different can. Ie: is there someone of > Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be > racist? > > > > Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable. > > > > I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go > to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of > race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, > percentages, inclusion policies is _*not*_ the way to get the recognition > that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated > industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected > for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – > not simply to be the token male. > > > > We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our > colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that > if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it > should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo > being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a > shread of proof. > > > > I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that > proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was > suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the **Alleged** (I > use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – > innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that > are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be > established and only then actioned upon. > > > > Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all… > > > > James Troy > > Senior Systems Administration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *dusty > *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM > *To:* Matthew Young <m...@mattyoung.net.au> > *Cc:* aus...@ausnog.net List <aus...@ausnog.net> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young <m...@mattyoung.net.au> wrote: > > “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the > Ausnog board.” > > People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their > gender. > > > > Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll > show you a deluded patriarchal fool. > > > > > > > > *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul > Wilkins > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM > *To:* aus...@ausnog.net List <aus...@ausnog.net> > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry. > > > > "Seems you've never been to a meeting." > > > > The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated. > > > > Kind regards > > > Paul Wilkins > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith <markzzzsm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point. > > > > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the > Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're > all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing. > > > > Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing > session. > > > > > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise > to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Paul Wilkins > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes <da...@hughes.com.au> wrote: > >> > >> > >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our > attention. > >> > >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature > very seriously. We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an > attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of > all parties. If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance > to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further. > >> > >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events > have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and > supported. We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other > organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable > for AusNOG events and mailing lists. > >> > >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not > acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry. We > will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader > solution. > >> > >> > >> > >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board > >> ... > >> _______________________________________________ > >> AusNOG mailing list > >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > >
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