I come from an Electrical Engineering background and back in 2000 when I 
started my undergrad degree there were 2 out of 300 women in my class. When I 
did my last degree in 2012 the number was more like 20 out of 300. It’s slowly 
increasing but these things take lots of time. (and would have taken lots 
longer if not for women like Kari Byron from Mythbusters)
I also noticed that Electrical  Engineering seems to be far more female 
friendly than IT does. Not sure why, could be the higher requirements means 
only uber nerd unicorns have what it takes to be successful. You know the 
types: the ones that don’t care for glossy brochures (or promo girls) but go 
straight to the tech spec pages in the back of the user manual. Could just be 
my experience. I’ve also never heard my male engineering colleges talk 
inappropriately about our female counterparts. Can’t say the same about civil 
engineers though – If you thought IT was bad….
But to you and all the other women on the list I wish you all the best. You 
have quite some determination to have made a career in this industry.

Paul.

From: AusNOG <ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Karen Hargreave
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:58 PM
To: dusty...@gmail.com
Cc: aus...@ausnog.net (ausnog@lists.ausnog.net) <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

So, someone made reference to the lack of females on the board...

Can we take a moment and have a look at something? Apart from myself (who 
identifies as 'one of the guys' most of the time) how many female members are 
there? If you were to consider the topic being discussed, I would have thought 
that passionate females on this list would probably want to speak up. It is 
obviously clear that there are some very supportive males out there which is 
awesome to see. So what is the ratio of males to females in this situation?

I remember a teacher one saying to my class, the worst thing you can be in 
Australia if you are looking for work is a white Australian male because you 
have the quota numbers stacked against you. I too am a believer that what we 
get should be based on merit and not on some quota system. Yes, maybe look at 
the percentages, if the industry is heavily biased one way over another, then 
maybe think about ways to market to appeal to other groups, but keep it merit 
based. Anything else cheapens the achievements of everyone else concerned.

Sent from my iPad

On 3 Oct 2018, at 1:08 pm, dusty 
<dusty...@gmail.com<mailto:dusty...@gmail.com>> wrote:
“Merit-based selection”
False equivalences
#metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)
“Virtue signalling”

Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?


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