1) I'd like my name kept out of subject lines please.  

> I therefore propose the following: Phoenix drops the "Avalon
> reference container" part of itself and joins Merlin, Fortress
> and the others as just another container.

+1

It is one container in a multi-container world.

> In my opinion, a reference container is what you go look at
> to get clarification of a contract in framework. Not something
> you'd deploy commercially.

My opinion too. Tweety is closer. I'll say again that it should be part of
jakarta-avalon-framework CVS.

> ... Then, once there are features in those containers that
> have withstood the tests of real-life deployment, should the
> features be merged back into framework and the reference
> container.

I disagree. We should keep the ref very light. I buy the idea of "not intended for real
deployments".

- Paul

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