Thanks Maria Lima for the suggestion, I will continue the hunt in both versions of his name. It was only this past week that I was able to find the name of his father Antonio. So there is hope yet! Tony
--- On Tue, 22/5/12, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> Cc: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 22, May, 2012, 11:07 AM The only 2 cents I can think of for Tony is at first I thought hmm at least I haven't seen that many Francis Josephs. I tried visualibg all the common names and then it hut me: his name in the records of the Azores was probably FRANCISCO JOSE.- not Francis Joseph. I don't know if this sheds a sliver of light on anything. Maria Elena On May 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, chris murray <cmurra...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Hi Tony, I am in Australia and have a ggg grandfather that came here from the Azores. At my local library i have access to the Victorian BDM records and would be happy to research your family connections . Let me know if i can help , please send me as much detail as you can on the names and approximate dates and if possible the town where they might have lived. I can also access cemetery files. All at no cost. Will be pleased to help. Maria Lima and i got so excited last year as we thought that both our Azores relations came to Australia on the ship Water Lily but it was not to be the case Best Wishes Chris From: Tony Matthews <tony...@xtra.co.nz> To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph Thanks to both Cheri & maria Lima for the useful hints. I been to Archives NZ and they were very helpful and supplied me some information which I didn't have. This is how I found out my GtGt Grandfathers name and as I said earlier his place of birth is listed as Azores or Western Isles, neither of which is very useful! The Obits & Marriage papers were of no use either. I can only surmise given the period in which he lived, he didn't have an easy time of it not being "english' and authorities possibly found it easier just to say 'Western Isles' on official documents. I have spent hours pouring over shipping lists and did find a Francis Joseph from Flores, who seems about the right age, travelled to Nantuckett, Nantuckett, Mass and later on was perhaps the same man sailing the Atlantic & Pacific showing up in Australia. Both the time frame and age of the individual fits at various recorded points. However there is absolutely no proof it is my Gt Grandfather at this point. I haven't had much luck with either Ancestry.com or Mr Holmes' site. So here's hoping someone, some where may have some info, I read my Azores- Geneology emails every day and delight when someone gets some good news about an ancestor! Thanks, Tony --- On Sun, 20/5/12, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Joseph To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> Cc: "<azores@googlegroups.com>" <azores@googlegroups.com> Date: Sunday, 20, May, 2012, 7:06 AM Hi Tony Cheri is correct about the documents that will lead you to know where in the Azores he came from. If you could find the wife's name then you could look on pioneer index for more info. That is how I discovered info that lex ne to uncover much about our 2 gold miner great grandfathers (actually my husband's). If ge married an English girl, maybe she was Wesleyan. I learned that they were dissenters fm the Church of England, as was the case in one of our ancestors. Your gr grandfather was born a few year before our 2guys 1836 and 1838 but there were several siblings born before them. They were drawn to Australia by the goldfields. Any family stories that would give more of a clue? I was able to get the marriage certificate for my husband's gr grandfather and that's how I knew they were married by theWesleyan minister. I alzo found them on unassisted passengers comment on the ship Water Lily in 1853. Are there museums in the New Zealand area where they preserve names and history like they have in Victoria. Try cemetery where the family lived. Sounds like stayed put in one area (?) so if he was a carpenter maybe he made furniture- the old newspapers had many ads. I learned slot about out guys from the Creswick and Clunes daily Register and Advertiser. Then I sent away to the public records office Victoria for each of 18 articles where their names are mentioned. It is tedios but peopke in Victoria were amazingly helpful as I live in the US. I hope you keep looking and you will find him. My husband's gr grandfathers were J J DE LIMA and their father was Antonio José. Best of luck Maria Elena On May 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, "Tony" <tone2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: Francis Joseph was born in 1833, some where in the Azores. His Father was carpenter named Antonio. We don’t know the name of his Mother. Francis left the Azores as a young boy and spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand. He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here. He never became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand.. In 1883, at the age of 50 years he married an English woman in New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand and they had 3 children.. Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years. We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear from you. He is my Gt Grandfather. My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady from America came looking for our family. Perhaps we have some American relatives? 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