Karen,
I found at least one link between us - very remote.
One of your end of the line ancestors is Isabel da Rocha, born about 1577 in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira.
She is the source of one of my Rocha lines from Terceira.
And she was surely a neighbor of my other ancestor, Miguel Gil.
I have a guess who her father was, but only a guess at this time.
Did you trace back that far yet?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 2:26 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Hi Karen,I don't know if it's the same Pereira Gil family, but the one I know goes back to Urzelina, Sao Jorge in the early 1700s on the direct paternal line.I'll have to check your other branches, because I have little doubt we are somehow distantly related.Interesting coincidence that we both have GIL as the oldest surname in the paternal line.Maybe those Urzelina ancestors, if they are yours, were originally from Terceira.Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call
From: Karen Huffman <khuffl...@charter.net>
Date: Fri, January 04, 2013 12:19 am
To: Azores Google Group <azores@googlegroups.com>
Doug, I had my Dad send his DNA in to Family Tree DNA last year. I haven't worked with it much yet. His name is Everett Medeiros and His Group is R1b1a2 and Shorthand is R-M269.My dad's father (Evaristo Rodrigues Roque Medeiros) was born in Sao Pedro, Sao Miguel. My dad's mother (Maria da Conciecao dos Santos) was born in Sao Mateus, Terceira.With my grandfather I have Roque Rodrigues, Jose de Medeiros Cabral, Francisco Jose de Andrade are his great grandfathers. I do not have dates for them yet.With my grandmother I have Manuel Joaquim Correia da Silva, Manuel Machado, Joaquim da Costa, and Jose Pereira Gil as her great grandfathers and no dates for them yet.Anything familiar to anyone?Karen Medeiros-Huffman--On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote:
--How about this idea?Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores.So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in.Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be interested to get a better picture of the current results.
I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira ancestry.My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira.He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current estimate.My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269).Anyone else willing to add to this?-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet?About the SNPs, I see "private" ones are uncommon:
Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are uncommon.But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP.I'm still trying to get a handle on this...Are there any others who have this:R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know the shorthand way to call it.My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe.Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T.( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly? :-)And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA from the original Adam.Does it seem I have that straight?Thanks,-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics:-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Hi Rick,OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the "badge" and that lead me to the answer.They say:Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I bet there are others on this list would also like to know.Thanks,
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 8:59 pm
To: <azores@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com>, "Nancy Jean Baptiste"
<fishsongf...@hotmail.com>
Hi Doug,Did you log on to your page (Your dads)? On the left side you can change the page back to the old format.RickFamily Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA ProjectAzores DNA Project Co-AdministratorsCherri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.comRick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.comNancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.comFrom: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:31 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from TerceiraCheri, Rick or Pam,Where do I find the full description of the Y-DNA test results on the FTDNA website?I see tabs for Family Finder and Y testing, but the pop down menu doesn't seem to lead me to that answer.Thanks,Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Wed, January 02, 2013 8:28 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.comVery, very interesting, Nancy.No doubt looks play a part in ancestral origins. But there could be a maternal branch along the direct paternal line that might account for those looks and have nothing to do with the actual Y-DNA direct line.In your case, perhaps more of the remote paternal ancestors, just next to the direct paternal line could be also tested.If they keep coming back as Berber, then that must be saying something.Yea, it's not exact or precise, but must be something or you wouldn't even know it's Berber, Gaelic, Chinese, or whatever.I just checked my father's Y-DNA results and we have no 37 marker matches yet.For all the 25 marker matches, two are from England, one from Ireland, and one from Northern Italy. I suppose that means it's where the matches currently reside.The haplogroup is R1b, the most common for Western Europeans.I'm looking now for the more full results and the best I can find is R1b1a2a, I think.For those from the Azores, only 12 marker matches show. Two have Terceira ancestors, like my line. One of particular interest is Pablo Brum who says his most distant direct paternal ancestor is "Antonius van der Bruyn, b.c. 1460, Bruges, Belgium."Anyone interested in Azores history must be interested in that factoid. He is one of my ancestors, too, so it's nice to see there is still someone who is a direct male line descendant.If you can point me to where I look on FTDNA for the full Y description, I would appreciate it.I hope my changing the subject to match my message was OK.Thanks,Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
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