Doug,
My own Y-DNA results ... from FT-DNA
Earliest known direct male ancestor born Azores: Manuel Rosa born 1873
Ribeirinha, Faial.
Testing history: DNA plus in 2006
Y-refine 37 to 67 in 2007
DeepSNP-R1b late 2007
Y-DNA haplogroup results: R SRY2627+ and L176.2 (also known as M167)
L176.2 is a mutation discovered in FTDNA's own research lab.
R1b1a2a1a1b5a in the tree used by Family Tree DNA
R1b1b2a1a2c1 in the ISOGG 2011 tree
I have one match at the 25 marker level but the other participant is
"private"
I have zero matches at higher levels.
I have also had MtDNA and Family Finder tests done. The FF led to a
breakthrough in a 20+ year brick-wall.
Al Rose
In a message dated 1/4/2013 1:17:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
p...@dholmes.com writes:
How about this idea?
Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral
line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores.
So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through
any company, like _Ancestry.com_ (http://ancestry.com/) , FTDNA, 23andMe, etc,
and are willing to share the results on this list, just chime in.
Due to privacy issues, only the administrators can see everyone's direct
paternal Y-DNA test results. But maybe others, like myself would be
interested to get a better picture of the current results.
I'll start by repeating some of what I have quoted below about my Terceira
ancestry.
My direct paternal line goes back to an ancestor named MIGUEL GIL who was
born about 1560, probably in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira.
He might be the son of Bras Gil, born about 1542, according to my current
estimate.
My Haplogroup is R1b1a2 (Shorthand: R-M269).
Anyone else willing to add to this?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <_pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) >
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 10:30 pm
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet?
About the SNPs, I see "private" ones are uncommon:
Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, _SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms)_
(http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=21#782) , are restricted to a
single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations).
These are family SNPs or private SNPs. Other SNPs are slightly older. They
represent paternal lineage groups that predate the adoption of a family
surname. These are semi-private SNPs. Both private and semi-private SNPs are
uncommon.
But I suppose a match certainly doesn't have to be from a private SNP.
I'm still trying to get a handle on this...
Are there any others who have this:
R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269
Nancy Jean already told me E1b1b2a is for Morocco and Berbers I don't know
the shorthand way to call it.
My R-M269 is apparently for most of Western Europe.
Looking at the graph that lists types A through S, it seems that the
closer you get to A, that's the mythical Adam or ground zero, so the E for
Berbers are more genetically close to Adam than are letters R, S and T.
( just noticed that T comes before S for some reason - a genetic anomaly?
:-)
And so my R seems to be one of the most distant or changed/altered DNA
from the original Adam.
Does it seem I have that straight?
Thanks,
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <_pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) >
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:48 pm
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am
learning some basics:
_http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314_
(http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314)
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <_pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) >
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 9:40 pm
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
Hi Rick,
OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the
"badge" and that lead me to the answer.
They say:
Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269
There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about.
I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know a way to simplify it, I
bet there are others on this list would also like to know.
Thanks,
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: "Richard Francis Pimentel" <_Rfrancispimentel@Comcast.net_
(mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net) >
Date: Thu, January 03, 2013 8:59 pm
To: <_azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) >
Cc: "Cheri Mello" <_gfscherim@gmail.com_ (mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com) >,
"Nancy Jean Baptiste"
<_fishsongfarm@hotmail.com_ (mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com) >
Hi Doug,
Did you log on to your page (Your dads)? On the left side you can change
the page back to the old format.
Rick
Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project
Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
Cherri Mello – _gfscherim@gmail.com_ (mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com)
Rick Pimentel – _Rickredleg21@gmail.com_ (mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com)
Nancy Jean Baptista - _fishsongfarm@hotmail.com_
(mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com)
From: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
[_mailto:azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) ] On Behalf
Of
_pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com)
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:31 PM
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
Cheri, Rick or Pam,
Where do I find the full description of the Y-DNA test results on the
FTDNA website?
I see tabs for Family Finder and Y testing, but the pop down menu doesn't
seem to lead me to that answer.
Thanks,
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira
From: <_pico@dholmes.com_ (mailto:p...@dholmes.com) >
Date: Wed, January 02, 2013 8:28 pm
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com)
Very, very interesting, Nancy.
No doubt looks play a part in ancestral origins. But there could be a
maternal branch along the direct paternal line that might account for those
looks and have nothing to do with the actual Y-DNA direct line.
In your case, perhaps more of the remote paternal ancestors, just next to
the direct paternal line could be also tested.
If they keep coming back as Berber, then that must be saying something.
Yea, it's not exact or precise, but must be something or you wouldn't
even know it's Berber, Gaelic, Chinese, or whatever.
I just checked my father's Y-DNA results and we have no 37 marker matches
yet.
For all the 25 marker matches, two are from England, one from Ireland,
and one from Northern Italy. I suppose that means it's where the matches
currently reside.
The haplogroup is R1b, the most common for Western Europeans.
I'm looking now for the more full results and the best I can find is
R1b1a2a, I think.
For those from the Azores, only 12 marker matches show. Two have Terceira
ancestors, like my line. One of particular interest is Pablo Brum who says
his most distant direct paternal ancestor is "Antonius van der Bruyn, b.c.
1460, Bruges, Belgium."
Anyone interested in Azores history must be interested in that factoid. He
is one of my ancestors, too, so it's nice to see there is still someone
who is a direct male line descendant.
If you can point me to where I look on FTDNA for the full Y description,
I would appreciate it.
I hope my changing the subject to match my message was OK.
Thanks,
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
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