Hi Linda,
I took a look at my Faria line in Sao Roque do Pico, the one we share with the mysterious Mr. Faria, and noticed that I made a mistake when I said it goes back to Faial. It actually comes from the south side of Pico, namely the village of Sao Mateus and starts with a lady named Maria de Faria, who married Baltazar Vieira.
Thanks to the Y-DNA testing done by Mr. Faria, who has Faria in his direct paternal line, we know that this Baltazar Vieira has DNA haplogroup J2 (Middle Eastern).
So it could indicate on the direct paternal line any group found in the Middle East. Maybe it will be refined and more specific ethnic origin can be learned in the future.
If it means Baltazar Vieira has Jewish origins, he would be one of the New Christians. And it could mean his wife Maria de Faria also has the same origins. It also would mean there is no sure connection between anyone else with Portuguese Faria origins. It would just be a name picked out of a hat.
I checked all my other Faria ancestors and it turns out that there is only one other line different than the above.
It starts with my ancestor Pedro Goulart de Faria. He was born in Ribeirinha, Faial and moved to Sao Roque. His mother was another Goulart de Faria.
I don't know if it connects, but there is a Capitao Gaspar de Lemos de Faria born in Faial in about 1527, according to my estimate, son of Maria de Lemos de Faria, born in Beira, Portugal on the mainland.
If there is a connection, Gaspar would be the grandfather of Pedro Goulart de Faria. But it's purely a guess.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faria surname
From: David Leitz <dlle...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 6:11 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
LindaThanks,If it is not a problem, could you send me a chart that shows the Cardoso connection?My mom's long term memory seems to be kicking in, so I'm going to try to find out what I can before it is too late.My mom has dementia and I recently found out that it may run on her mother's side of the family. Her mother had a sister with alzheimers. Mom also has two cousins that are still in Pico, brother and sister, with alzheimers. (These are from another aunt.) My grandmother's father is Francisco Simplicio Rosa Vieira and her mother is Maria Jesus Conceicao. This is the grandmother that was married to my grandfather Manuel Pereira Faria.Doug,I have not done much research on the Faria line yet. Most of the information I have is from the NEPS (Citcem) site, or from relatives. (I research rather sporadically.) And yes, I have found that everyone is related - starting from the third generation on back.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:58 AM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote:
--Hello Linda,What a great surprise!Yes, your Faria line and mine are one and the same.Our common ancestor is 8 generations back for you. Did you already trace it?For me, it is 9 generations back. So you and my father are 7th cousins.And this Mr. Faria that I originally mentioned meets us at the same place. But since I don't know where he starts, I can't tell you how many generations it takes him to get back to this ancestor.I do know it's in his direct paternal line. And if you have any living maternal uncles, you could test them for Y-DNA and have an exact match with Mr. Faria whose first name remains unknown to me still.But our closest common ancestor is someone named Cardoso. He married twice and his first wife is my line. You descend from his second wife and you do it twice. He is in the 7th generation, so one generation closer than by Faria. Because he's in your tree twice, I would guess that a Family Finder test would estimate a closer connection than reality, having double his DNA.
With all your Pico ancestry, you must be related to just about everyone on this list with Pico roots and can actually prove it.-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faria surname
From: David Leitz <dlle...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, April 03, 2013 10:02 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Linda LeitzThanks,Is this part of your Faria family?Doug,My grandfather is Manuel Pereira Faria - born 20Mar1893 in Silveira, Pico. His father was Manuel Pereira Faria - born in Sao Roque, died 18May1935. If I am reading my great grandfather's marriage record correctly, his parents were Jose Pereira de Faria (born 1Nov1815) and Maria Antonia.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote:
Hi Geneva,About my Faria family. Mine came from Sao Roque do Pico, but I think before there it came from Castelo Branco, Faial. I'm going only from memory, so I might be off. There are a few branches of Faria. One is from Terceira in the early 1500s, I believe. There is one in early Faial. I think maybe the third is another from Faial or maybe Terceira.
Of course, there are numerous Faria families that can't connect to these well-known families and mine is like that. Records are lost in most cases and we can't learn more.
If your Faria is from Sao Miguel and you have traced it back to the beginning of the records and it's still from Sao Miguel, maybe that means there is another major branch or two or three from Sao Miguel.Whether these branches are really just the same family and beyond our ability to know it, if a Faria family arrived in early Sao Miguel and spread out from there, that would be maybe how we could have a connection by Faria.I'm not looking at Rodrigo Rodrigues and if he has anything about Faria. Maybe another can let us know. I have only his first volume and haven't looked at it for a decade.
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