I need to correct my own information! The abbreviation is 'S' not 'J' #-o
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonia Pacheco" <spach...@umassd.edu> To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:28:30 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal John-- The rule you wrote is correct Santo = first name starts with vowel São = first name starts with consonant and the letter H Female saints are *always* Santa There are a small number of exceptions: Santo Tirso, Santo Cristo, Santo Jó , São Estêvão, Santo Jeremias Both may be used interchangeably: São e Santo Tomás de Aquino The abbreviation for both is a J. (capital J with a period) Sónia Pacheco Librarian Archivist Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives Portuguese Liaison Claire T. Carney Library University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Road N. Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel. 508-999-8695 Fax 508-999-8424 Email spach...@umassd.edu Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vasconcelos" <gfsjo...@gmail.com> To: "azores" <azores@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:10:30 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal Just adding to what Cheri pointed out, there always seems to be an exception to the "general' rule. When the saint's first name starts with a vowel, (ie Antonio, Amaro, etc., the proper term is "Santo" I was about to proclaim the general rule: "Sao" when the saint's first name starts with a consonant, Santo when the saint's first name starts with a vowel then I looked at our Band Schedule which reminded me that we recently played at the Santo Cristo festa in Chino. I give up! I defer to the language experts on the list. Joao?, George?, Doug?, Katharine? John Vasconcelos On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Cheri Mello < gfsche...@gmail.com > wrote: Spelling was always one of my strong subjects, so try really hard not to let misspellings bother me, but in this case I really need to speak up. The Azores are a part of Portugal, not Spain. The language of the Azores and Portugal is Portuguese, not Spanish. The word for saint in Portuguese is Sao (properly, it's São). The word for saint in Spanish is San. I know there are many areas of the U.S. that touch the Mexican border and for those of us in these areas, we may encounter the Spanish language more frequently, so we may not even notice the San instead of Sao, since San is so familiar to us. They even have lots of cities named in Spanish after saints (San Francisco is one). So if you are in the habit of typing San on this list, or are new to Portuguese genealogy and didn't realize the difference, please put a post-it on your computer that says: Sao Miguel, Sao Jorge, or Sao whatever (if that is your freguesia). People write me and say, for example, that they remember a post about Sao Vicente on Sao Miguel and they can't find it in the archive. So I search the archive by typing in Sao Vicente and Sao Miguel and I can't find it either. Then I have to play around with the San and even sometimes the translation into English. Please, please, please, stick with the Portuguese spelling! P.S. On Sao Miguel...it's MiGuel...a G in there...not a Q. That one makes the message impossible to find in the archive. 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