Oh dear! I was afraid to even ASK if the records were lost. I didn't want to even entertain such a thought. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
So, I will look again in Santa Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized. I hope when the priest guessed how old he was when he died that the priest made a mistake and I'll find his record. Manoel: I didn't understand the connection with the child named Belchior born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple Sebastiaom Jacome husband of Maria Da Costa. Were these couple related? Thank you so much for staying with me and continuing to guide me in this search. Maybe I'll get lucky and find him today! :). Will report! Maria Elena > On May 4, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Manoel Cesar <man...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Maria, > > The marriage records before 1708 for Santa Barbara are lost. > > The birth records for Santa Barbara between 1662 and 1666 are missing too. > It seems that Sebastião was born c. 1664, so you won't find him. > There's a child named Belchior born to Manuel de Resendes and Isabel Velho in > Santa Barbara about 1659, if I'm not wrong. > Manuel de Sousa de Resendes also goes by Manuel de Resendes, and his wife > Isabel Vellho was only 16 years old when she got married on 3 jan 1639 in > Assunção ( Matriz de Vila do Porto). > > > Manoel > > > > > > 2014-05-04 10:05 GMT-03:00 Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>: >> I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende) in the parish of >> NS DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back as >> the dates that are online. Before 1708 where would the people go for >> weddings? I don't know distances between churches there. Maybe any >> marriages before 1708 in that parish were not put online? >> >> I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck yet. >> Maybe I'm 10 years off "more or less" according to his obit. >> >> >> >> >> Maria Elena >> >>> On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Maria, >>> >>> You are welcome. >>> >>> The word after sixty is "outo" (oito - current spelling). >>> >>> The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de >>> Resendes. They had the same name. >>> >>> I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo >>> Regional de Ponta Delgada. >>> Here´s the link: >>> http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=truvo >>> >>> >>> Manoel >>> >>> Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: >>>> >>>> Hi Manoel >>>> >>>> Thanks for answering all my questions. >>>> >>>> I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit. Funny how I >>>> kept pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's >>>> page with HIS obituary. I thought there was something g WRONG with the >>>> Ipad until about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH >>>> ON THE SAME PAGE. His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very >>>> difficult to read and is on the lower left page. >>>> >>>> I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735. Their son Joze was married >>>> just three months before Sebastiaom passed away. I knew she was deceased >>>> when Joze got married. >>>> >>>> Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758_item1/P11.html >>>> >>>> >>>> She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa >>>> Barbara. I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher >>>> the word after sixty. Looks like an i and then a "t" and "o". ?? Do you >>>> see it better? >>>> >>>> I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage . I have been being >>>> born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 1666. >>>> I've been looking in Santa Barbara. Santo Espírito didn't start recording >>>> until 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't know about. >>>> >>>> Thank you for all your help. Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is >>>> that accessible? That would be so cool to see. I KNEW he was able to >>>> read and write so that might mean he was "well educated"? (So many >>>> questions :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Maria Elena >>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maria, >>>>> >>>>> RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations >>>>> from Frutuoso for the 1500s. >>>>> >>>>> Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633. >>>>> >>>>> The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was >>>>> born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião >>>>> Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done! >>>>> >>>>> Manoel >>>>> >>>>> Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Manoel- do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes. That >>>>>> was so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues >>>>>> book. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them >>>>>> somewhere? In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de >>>>>> Resendes- point 5- I noticed this guy was living way earlier than the >>>>>> one I'm researching. The one in the RR Book lived around 1633 ( he was >>>>>> a witness at something?) >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, number 7: this is the man I'm researching. You had am question >>>>>> mark so I don't know if you added this tentatively or it was in the RR >>>>>> Book. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel pretty stupid asking but what exactly is the rebook. I know >>>>>> there are several volumes. I do hope this is the"right" guy because >>>>>> once I tie him in to the Mestre Antonio that you mentioned, them there >>>>>> may be research already done. (Or not?) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maria Elena >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 8:34 AM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maria, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here´s what I have from RR. See below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And we share a common ancestor, I also descend from João Vaz, o das >>>>>>> Virtudes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manoel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CAPÍTULO 30.º >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE MESTRE ANTÓNIO, CATALÃO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 - António (talvez do apelido Curvelo), Mestre Catalão. Veio >>>>>>> para a Ilha de Santa Maria no princípio da sua colonização, mandado >>>>>>> pelo Infante D. Henrique para tratar da plantação de cana de açúcar e >>>>>>> do seu fabrico. Era da Catalunha e veio já casado para Santa Maria, >>>>>>> tendo aí recebido dadas de terras. Morreu com mais de 110 anos (Vide >>>>>>> Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º II e III). Ignora-se com quem casou, mas >>>>>>> sabe-se que foi seu filho: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 - Francisco Curvelo (Vide Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º II), >>>>>>> casou na Ilha de Santa Maria com Guiomar Guardeza, mulher nobre. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 - Francisco Curvelo (Vide Frutuoso Livro IV, Cap.º XXXII), >>>>>>> jaz na Matriz Vila do Porto, entre as duas naves da porta travessa da >>>>>>> banda do sul para cima (como diz o testamento do filho António). Casou >>>>>>> em S. Miguel com Filipa Faleiro de Resendes (Cap.º 31.º § 1.º N.º 3) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4 - Filipe Jácome de Resendes, natural da Ilha de Santa Maria >>>>>>> e aí morador. Seus irmãos, Manuel e António, instituidores e 1.º e 2.º >>>>>>> padroeiros do Recolhimento da Madalena mandam que sejam depois >>>>>>> padroeiros os filhos e descendentes deste seu irmão Filipe (Vide >>>>>>> Arquivo dos Açores, Vol.º XIII, pág. 552 e Vol.º XIV pág. 110 e 113). >>>>>>> Casou com Maria de Sousa que a 3.2.1594, já viúva, em Vila do Porto, >>>>>>> figurou na escritura de instituição e doação do dito Recolhimento. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5 - Sebastião Jácome de Resendes, que fez testamento a >>>>>>> 5.4.1633, aprovado a 20.2.1634.(Nota N.º 5). Casou a 2.ª vez com Maria >>>>>>> dos Santos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6 - Manuel de Sousa de Resendes, que viveu com sua mulher no >>>>>>> lugar de Santa Bárbara, em Santa Maria, onde baptizou filhos em 1644. >>>>>>> Casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a 3.l.1639, com Isabel Velha, de 16 >>>>>>> anos, filha de Belchior Romeiro e Simoa Travassos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7 - Sebastião Jácome de Resendes, casou com Maria da Costa de Almada, >>>>>>> de Santo Espírito? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 8 - João Jácome de Resendes ou de Sousa de Resendes, casou em >>>>>>> Santo Espírito a 7.5.1725 com Maria da Paixão filha de António de >>>>>>> Almada e Catarina........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CAPÍTULO 31.º >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE JOÃO VAZ FEIO OU FALEIRO OU MELÃO; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OU SIMPLESMENTE JOÃO VAZ, O DAS VIRTUDES. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 - João Vaz Feio ou Faleiro ou Melão, ou mais propriamente, >>>>>>> João Vaz o das Virtudes, natural da Covilhã, donde foi para a Ilha da >>>>>>> Madeira e daqui para a Ilha de Santa Maria, onde el-rei D. Manuel lhe >>>>>>> deu terras por ele o curar de uma doença. Em 18.10.1554, foi testemunha >>>>>>> do testamento de Duarte Nunes Velho. Frutuoso refere-se-lhe no Livro >>>>>>> III das Saudades da Terra, Capítulo II e III; IX e XI, e no Livro IV, >>>>>>> Cap.º XXXII e XXXIII (Nota N.º 1). Casou na Ilha da Madeira com >>>>>>> Estevazinha Vicente da geração dos Cogumbreiros. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 - Fernão Vaz Faleiro, citado por Frutuoso no Livro III das >>>>>>> Saudades da Terra, Cap.º XIV e no Livro IV, Cap.º XXXII. Casou com >>>>>>> Filipa de Resendes, parente de Domingos Afonso de Resendes, de S. >>>>>>> Roque (S. Miguel), segundo Frutuoso. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 - Filipa Faleiro de Resendes, (Vide Frutuoso, Livro IV, >>>>>>> Cap.º 3º) que casou na Ilha de Santa Maria com Francisco Curvelo (Cap.º >>>>>>> 30.º § primeiro, N.º 3). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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