Sorry guys but carneiro and cordeiro are both sheep. Cordeiro is a sheep under 1 year old (young lamb) never-the-less it is a Lamb Carneiro being an adult sheep is a lamb just the same... :)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Dano <dpai...@gmail.com> wrote: > George, > To my knowledge, the two surnames didn't evolve from one another. As for > misspelled Portuguese surnames of immigrants arriving in a non-Latin > speaking jurisdiction, be thankful that it wasn't abused more than it was. > > If you think Portuguese naming is confusing now, imagine how it was prior > to Napoleon Bonaparte's decree that each person be recorded with both a > given name and a family surname. Every culture had a different system for > naming people, and most people only had a single name. Given that I have > no less than fifty (50) ancestors with the name Manoel (all closely > related), and thousands of Marias, I am quite happy that someone tried to > make easier to figure out. > > As for the Portuguese naming style, my understanding is that the oldest > male child was allowed to use the father's surname. He also inherited the > father's property, wealth, title and social status. all the other siblings > were known by the mother's surname, and since women could not own property, > there was nothing else to inherit. That policy normally applied to the > titled class. Most of the population, obviously, were not in the titled > class - so the norms became fuzzy. Perhaps Eliseu, Hermano, or John Raposo > can add to that discussion. > > Bear in mind that certain things applied when people selected surnames - > basically, what the oldest male child got by law (property, wealth, title, > and social status). So, if there wasn't any of that available from mom, > people traced back until they found an ancestor that did have something > they could claim (just like today). > > As for your RI records, I will try to find a method for searching for > individual records. That way when you post a link, it can go directly to > the record.. Also, I note your Pereira and Medeiros ancestry. Depending on > where your ancestors were from, perhaps we may have some common links. > > On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 1:07:03 AM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote: >> >> Dano, >> Thanks for the clarification because I don't speak Portuguese.In any >> case lambs are sheep and from the same family. Is it possible that Cordeiro >> and Carneiro is the same family surname with different spellings ? Does >> anyone know ? These family names are a real challenge aren't they ?It is >> especially interesting how English speaking people heard our ancestors >> names and thus recorded them misspelled. Than there is the surname >> challenge of taking a surname different from either of one's parents. >> George M. ( Pereira) Medeiros >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:32 PM, Dano <dpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry Miguel (George), >> you were correct re: Cordeiro = Lamb; (Carneiro actually translates as >> sheep or ram). I was, however, more interested in the Carneiro surname, as >> I am descended from an early settler in Sao Miguel with this name. >> >> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 1:47:52 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote: >>> >>> http://www.rhodeisland-genealogy.com/statewide.cfm >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodeisland-genealogy.com%2Fstatewide.cfm&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNErHtfV2lWjsVUvI_Za0R_YDcMXBw> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> I listed site above as possible research for those not aware of it. >>> >>> I am new at this research but I found things in the last few days on my >>> Grandparents Jose and Virginia Medeiros. It is amazing how often names are >>> misspelled and/or written in Portuguese or English! As this record shows so >>> clearly. I knew my Grandfather's mother's name as Maria de Jesus Cordeiro >>> and his father as Francisco Medeiros which I got from the original marriage >>> record that my father had concerning his parents marriage.On this sight I >>> found my Grandfather's birth date and death date. I knew his death date >>> because I have one of the original holy cards my father got from his mother >>> but had no birth date. >>> In one entry in this R.I. Record it says his father is Francis and >>> mother Mary Lamb. >>> My Grandmother is listed as his spouse.The death date is the same as on >>> the holy card.I know that the word cordeiro in English means lamb.So I >>> concluded that Mary Lamb and Francis is my Great Grandparents on my >>> paternal side of the family. George M. ( Pereira) Medeiros Jr. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.