Sorry guys but carneiro and cordeiro are both sheep. Cordeiro is a sheep under 1 year old (young lamb) never-the-less it is a Lamb Carneiro being an adult sheep is a lamb just the same... :)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Dano <dpai...@gmail.com> wrote: > George, > To my knowledge, the two surnames didn't evolve from one another. As for > misspelled Portuguese surnames of immigrants arriving in a non-Latin > speaking jurisdiction, be thankful that it wasn't abused more than it was. > > If you think Portuguese naming is confusing now, imagine how it was prior > to Napoleon Bonaparte's decree that each person be recorded with both a > given name and a family surname. Every culture had a different system for > naming people, and most people only had a single name. Given that I have > no less than fifty (50) ancestors with the name Manoel (all closely > related), and thousands of Marias, I am quite happy that someone tried to > make easier to figure out. > > As for the Portuguese naming style, my understanding is that the oldest > male child was allowed to use the father's surname. He also inherited the > father's property, wealth, title and social status. all the other siblings > were known by the mother's surname, and since women could not own property, > there was nothing else to inherit. That policy normally applied to the > titled class. Most of the population, obviously, were not in the titled > class - so the norms became fuzzy. Perhaps Eliseu, Hermano, or John Raposo > can add to that discussion. > > Bear in mind that certain things applied when people selected surnames - > basically, what the oldest male child got by law (property, wealth, title, > and social status). So, if there wasn't any of that available from mom, > people traced back until they found an ancestor that did have something > they could claim (just like today). > > As for your RI records, I will try to find a method for searching for > individual records. That way when you post a link, it can go directly to > the record.. Also, I note your Pereira and Medeiros ancestry. Depending on > where your ancestors were from, perhaps we may have some common links. > > On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 1:07:03 AM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote: >> >> Dano, >> Thanks for the clarification because I don't speak Portuguese.In any >> case lambs are sheep and from the same family. Is it possible that Cordeiro >> and Carneiro is the same family surname with different spellings ? Does >> anyone know ? These family names are a real challenge aren't they ?It is >> especially interesting how English speaking people heard our ancestors >> names and thus recorded them misspelled. Than there is the surname >> challenge of taking a surname different from either of one's parents. >> George M. ( Pereira) Medeiros >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:32 PM, Dano <dpa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry Miguel (George), >> you were correct re: Cordeiro = Lamb; (Carneiro actually translates as >> sheep or ram). I was, however, more interested in the Carneiro surname, as >> I am descended from an early settler in Sao Miguel with this name. >> >> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 1:47:52 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote: >>> >>> http://www.rhodeisland-genealogy.com/statewide.cfm >>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodeisland-genealogy.com%2Fstatewide.cfm&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNErHtfV2lWjsVUvI_Za0R_YDcMXBw> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> I listed site above as possible research for those not aware of it. >>> >>> I am new at this research but I found things in the last few days on my >>> Grandparents Jose and Virginia Medeiros. It is amazing how often names are >>> misspelled and/or written in Portuguese or English! As this record shows so >>> clearly. I knew my Grandfather's mother's name as Maria de Jesus Cordeiro >>> and his father as Francisco Medeiros which I got from the original marriage >>> record that my father had concerning his parents marriage.On this sight I >>> found my Grandfather's birth date and death date. I knew his death date >>> because I have one of the original holy cards my father got from his mother >>> but had no birth date. >>> In one entry in this R.I. Record it says his father is Francis and >>> mother Mary Lamb. >>> My Grandmother is listed as his spouse.The death date is the same as on >>> the holy card.I know that the word cordeiro in English means lamb.So I >>> concluded that Mary Lamb and Francis is my Great Grandparents on my >>> paternal side of the family. George M. ( Pereira) Medeiros Jr. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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