Bill said, "one bride/groom is a great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common ancestor"
Yes, that is my understanding. Hopefully, Joao Ventura, the archivist will read this and confirm or elaborate. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:35 AM, <bsei2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Margaret. > > I realized that when I realized it was actually the left record. > > Since it says 3rd and 4th degree, does that mean that one bride/groom is a > great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common > ancestor, or that they have two common ancestors (one and 3 degrees and one > a 4)? > > I've seen this multiple degrees before and just not sure what it means. > > Bill > > > On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > >> Hi Lee and Bill, >> >> Lee, you read it correctly. They obtained dispensation to marry due >> to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great >> Grandfather in Common. Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one >> another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result. >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM, <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Lee, >>> >>> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might >>> be Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I >>> do not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina. The note on the bottom says >>> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree. >>> >>> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that >>> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they >>> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4 >>> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed) >>> >>> I hope I'm not confusing all of this. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Lee, >>>> >>>> I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record. I think the >>>> couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of >>>> Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I >>>> don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria. Is >>>> this the couple you wanted? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus, >>>>> Terciera. >>>>> >>>>> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) >>>>> that the two are related. I am having trouble reading the degree of >>>>> consanguinity though. >>>>> >>>>> Is it the 3rd degree? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH- >>>>> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C- >>>>> 1740-1782_item1/P78.html >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Lee Estep, >>>>> Oak Hill WV >>>>> >>>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
