HI Margaret, Thank you for that. I think this may be the Manuel I'm looking for, son of Antonio, but it might not be because, as Cheri and I are discussing above, there could be any number of Manuel Machados married to a Maria do Rozario. The problem is that, while I now have this baptismal record and I already have what I think is his marriage record (here <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html>) that also mentions Antonio, when you look at Manuel's son's baptismal (here <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P84.html>), his grandmother (and Manuel's mother) Roza Maria is listed as "solteiro" or "single." That may be some of the confusion because I read someone's English translation of it on Ancestry and they said she was "unmarried" and so I thought that meant the same as "Pai Incognito," but it does not say "Pai Incognito" on Fransisco's record so maybe Antonio was "known" but just not well accepted?
I'm going to take Cheri's advice and try to piece together Francisco's siblings to see if that helps to connect the Manuel you just found to Francisco and sort out this "single" versus "absent antonio". At least we took "unknown" out of the mix, at least in the sense that it's not mentioned. On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:51:57 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote: > > Christian, > > I'll gladly help but I'm not clear on what you're looking for. > > Based on the emails content it is not clear to me who you are trying to > trace. In any case I found Manuel's birth record which matches the > marriage record link you posted. And, it tells all about Antonio Machado. > > To shed some understanding on the term ausente: > > It was because they usually went elsewhere to find work It could be on > the same island or across the 9 islands. > > One observation is that around this period there was a lot of movement > within the islands. My own GGGF from Graciosa with his S. Jorge bride to > be, went to S. Miguel along with hundreds of other man from the Western > islands (Pico, S. Jorge, Faial) in a government action to "occupy" the > island S. Miguel and mark presence there due to unrest and the civil war, > or to defend interests. Some took their wives, some didn't. > > Also if the person was absent/away outside of the islands the priest would > name i.e. America, Brasil, etc. > > Are you looking for Manuel and his father Antonio's line? Is this the > right couple? bottom right. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1791-1803/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1791-1803_item1/P167.html > > It reads: > Manuel son of Antonio Machado, who is natural from N. Senhora (Our Lady) > das Neves of Norte Grande island of S. Jorge and Rosa Maria married and > natural in this Parish church of our Ladty of Guadalupe, residing in > Camacho. Paternal Grandpaents Matheus (Mateus) Nunes and his wife Luisa > Machado, both deceased, and Maternal Grandparents Manuel Jose and his wife > Maria do Rosario, both deceased. Born on the 5th day of the month of May > of 1800 and baptised in this same church on the the 10th of the said month > and year by the Reverend Priest Joao Ignacio (Inacio) de Bettencourt, Cuir > of the said church. Godparents Manuel Jose Medina and his wife D. Julianna > (Juliana) residents of the same Camacho and to acknowledge i wrote this > record and signed it with the witnesses the baptising Reverend Priest of > this same church Francisco Jose de Bettencourt and the present witnesses. > era est supra. > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Christian Day <war...@christianday.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> p.s. I know many are at the conference so no rush, but if anyone is >> feeling inclined and can help me translate this marriage certificate to >> figure out who Antonio is and how old Manuel and Maria are on it, I would >> most greatly appreciate it! :) >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
