Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

Kathy Cardoza Wed, 07 Sep 2016 19:12:11 -0700

Susan

The link that Gayle was referring to for Naming Practices is:  
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices.html

Kathy

On Sep 07, 2016, at 01:08 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Susan

Ask Cheri is she (or Rosemarie or Kathy) can send you a link to an article on
Naming Traditions among the Portuguese. It may help explain a lot about how
different their surname patterns/choices are to ours. And, why you can't assume
the names used in the islands are the same as the ones used here in the states.
Also, how a single person could use many variations and alcunhas over their
lifetime.

Gayle

On Sep 7, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gayle,

Thank you, that's good to know of course, but very disappointing. What a roller
coaster! Maria Teresa Maciel is the only name that we have known her by, which is
frustrating. I was excited when I found any reference to Maciel in the baptismal
records & was hoping that since that was the name that she chose that it was a
significant or close family connection. Also, when I looked in the family tree on CITEM
that is connected to this Maria, there were a few other Maria Teresa's & Teresa's.
The mother's name is listed as Maria Teresa.

I wonder if our Maria Teresa really had a different name at birth, but then took on
this name later because this Maria had died? There are several different dates
suggested for her birth in the census records, from 1865 to 1868. I have seen an
even wider range of dates for other people. Makes you wonder if some didn't even
know what their actual date of birth was & just picked one that seemed likely,
but forgot which one that they had picked before! Sigh. Back to the haystack.

I'm going to try to get hard copies of her marriage & death certificates to see
if there is any more info there.

Thanks for your time & willingness to help.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:57 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Susan,

The birthdate is 15 July 1865. She was baptized on the 17th of July. But,
according to CITCEM, this Maria died 1 July 1885 at age 19.

Gayle

On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:59 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Gayle for the suggestion to check the CITCEM. I found the same reference to her
being born in August 1865 & actually found her on 17 July 1865 in Sao Mateus on the
CCA. I had seen people post screenshots from GenWeb, but never knew how they generated
them, so thanks. & thanks also to Richard for helping translate too. The new one that I
found is prettier & should be easier. I also found a cousin who understands Portuguese,
but I know that the members of this forum have had more practice and are so much better at
deciphering the subtleties.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P195.html
# 40 on the right

I think that it's 17 July 1865? which is closest to the info found on GenWeb:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca&lang=en&m=D&p=maria+teresa&n=jesus&oc=7&v=5&t=L&bd=0&color=

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
Susan,
Sorry, to tell you, but 60ish cMs is NOT a strong DNA match. The most two
people can share in common is in the 3000 range. 60ish pales in comparison.
You'll need a really good paper trail to make 60ish cMs pan out. Those matches
need more work. Start with 100+ cMs or more to have success in working with DNA.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
One is 60.4 with largest 22.6 & the other significant one is 59.9 & 19.6
largest.
& also match on 3 other kits that the same person administrates for his family,
so I don't think that it's just a fluke.

There is only one other match that is higher that was not a known relative. The one
next higher is a 4th cousin @ 61.7 & 27.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
Define "Strong" matches. How many cMs and what's the longest block?

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