Gayle, Thank you for your help! Yes, I know that this will be good practice & lucky that I found an easy one for starters.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Susan, > > It says essentially: Maria was baptized on 3 Sep 1865 but born 21 Aug 1865 > at 9 o'clock (here's where my skills are deplete-am or pm ?) , daughter of > Antonio Pereira da Rosa, farmer, and Maria Theresa, housewife. Both from > this village. (It actually says that separately for each person which is a > bit odd since they're not from different places. ) The paternal > grandparents were Jose Pereira da Rosa and Maria Francisca. The maternal > grandparents were Jose Rodrigues Maciel and Naria Theresa. The godparents > were Jose Rodrigues Maciel, single, farmer, and Anna Theresa, single. > > This record is very nicely written out. My suggestion would be for you to > spend time working it out using the list of genealogical words so that, in > the future, when you get one of the many "horrible" records to decipher, > you'll actually stand a decent chance of figuring out the record. > > Please note that I presented the information above in an order different > from the record. For example, I listed the birthdate early on but it > doesn't appear in the record until later. You don't need to know every > single word to decipher these records, so just focus on the key words. Many > of the words deal with the ceremonial aspects of the event which you may > (or may not) find relevant based on your own religious views. > > Hope this is what you needed to know. However, as a disclaimer, don't take > my word for it (I'm reading the record via a tiny iPhone screen). Verify > the data for yourself. > > Gayle > > > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I never should have said that I had "most" of it figured out. Part of that > was due to the excitement that I had found it (Eureka!) and the fact that I > was in delirium @ 2:30 in the morning when I posted it. I stayed up until > 4:30, but then opted to sleep on it & look with fresh eyes again this > morning. > > I don't understand Portuguese, unfortunately. This handwriting is better > than what most people have to work with, but I do much better with the > words that are easy to decipher like the dates, because you already know > which words that you are hunting for. I was looking over the list of > "Portuguese Genealogy words" and found a few more like "solenemente" which > at first looked like a series of squiggles. Of course, the ones that are > the easiest to read are the ones that are repeated often, like "freguesia." > I heard someone say that they typed out the words & put them into an > on-line translator, but I'm sure that those things are pretty literal & > would spit out most of my guesses. I hope to get better with practice. > > I was relieved to find the date & the familiar surnames & the term: > "legítima", but humbly ask if anyone can give me anything else that they > would be kind enough to translate. > > Thanks in advance > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC- > MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html > > # 47, bottom right, continued on the next page > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Susan, >> >> What have you figured out ? What are you still trying to decipher ? >> >> Gayle >> >> >> >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thank you so much Gayle for the suggestion for checking the CITEM. I do >> believe that I have found the correct Maria Teresa Maciel. The CITEM lists >> the parents (Antonio Pereira Rosa & Maria Teresa) that are found in the >> baptismal record. I think that I have most of it figured out, but there are >> still some words that I haven't yet. >> >> # 47 on bottom right: >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD- >> SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html >> >> continued on next page: >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD- >> SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P198.html >> >> & the tree from CITEM: >> >> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca&lang=pt >> &m=A&i=16225&v=5&siblings=on¬es=on&bd=0&color=&t=H&after=&before= >> >> Thank you >> >> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 11:03:45 AM UTC-7, good...@aol.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Susan, >>> >>> I see : Maria, daughter of Joao Sousa Maciel and Marianna da Gloria. She >>> was born 10 Dec 1865. Paternal grandparents were Manuel Homem Silveira and >>> Marianna Josefa. Maternal grandparents were Antonio (?) and Inacia Balbina. >>> Note: I used modern spellings above in Sousa and Inacia. Also, Antonio's >>> surname seems to disappear where the page bends inward. >>> >>> I checked CITCEM but it gives the birthdate in August, which baffles me. >>> I am on my iPhone so I often am cautious on being too definitive when >>> viewing on a small screen, but, I really see December on the first line. >>> I'll go back and see if the birth was four months earlier with the baptism >>> much later. Not unheard of, but more often than not just a few days apart. >>> >>> Gayle >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Susan Schoen <susanle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maria Theresa Maciel is my father's maternal grandmother. I match many >>> people via GEDmatch on her line, but since I do not he the names of either >>> of her parents, it's hard for me to untangle who she might be connected to. >>> >>> Can someone please help me translate # 53 on the bottom left? >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ- >>> PIEDADE-B-1865-1874/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874_item1/P38.html >>> >>> I can recognise the name *Maciel* on the 7th line down. I'm not sure if >>> this is our Maria Theresa Maciel because I can't decipher the date? I can >>> make out December & Octo for 1800's but the end of the line is blurry. It >>> is page 38 of 164 with the date range of 1864 to 1874, so it's in the >>> ballpark. Her birth year is estimated to be from 1865 to 1868 from census & >>> death record. One census stated August 1867, but don't know how accurate it >>> might be? In my grandmother's family (who is the daughter of Maria Theresa >>> Maciel) all of the daughters were baptised Mary, but only the eldest was >>> called Mary, all of the rest were called by their middle name. >>> >>> We were always told that she was from Pico & judging by some of the >>> trees from the DNA matches that we share in common, Lajes do Pico is >>> probable. Other family names that show up frequently in the matching trees >>> are Pereira & Silveira. Maciel goes in & out. >>> >>> Thank you in advance! >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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