JR, Oh my goodness - you are amazing! I was looking at the archives last night hoping to indeed find his record but I couldn't make sense of what I was reading (still learning to make sense of the cursive). This is amazing information. I absolutely cannot thank you enough!
Diane On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:39:17 AM UTC-4, JR wrote: > > This appears to be your Jose baptised in Povoacao. The name of person to > whom Jose was given is, Anna Violante da Motta, viuva (widow). She is > native of Faial da Terra. Doesn't say who was her husband. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1860-1869/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1860-1869_item1/P461.html > > Jose, No- 96, exposto, bap- June 7- 1866. Given to Anna Violante da Motta, > viuva, morador na Faial da Terra. The godfather is Jose de Rezende, and > this is perhaps where Jose obtained his name. > > JR > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:27:33 PM UTC-4, Diane DeMelo wrote: >> >> Cheri, >> >> Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Such fascinating and helpful >> information! I enjoyed reading the naming practices. Insightful article >> about Finding Your Roots too! >> >> Such a fascinating narrative about what may have happened with Maria and >> the baby. It'll just be one of those things we'll never know! I did locate >> a woman in my cousin's tree called Violante Rosa de Medeiros Festa who >> lived in Faial da Terra with an occupation as midwife/parteira that would >> have been 30 in 1866 when Jose was born. Interesting. >> >> My parents are both deceased and the only living sibling of my dad is his >> younger sister, about 82. She's in good physical health but she's been in >> the Casa de Saúde in Ponta Delgada since she was 18. I was there last in >> 2017 and wish I had been interested in this at the time. There's a >> possibility I might visit next year and I think for her the best thing >> would be a cheek swab so it looks like FTDNA would fit the bill for that. I >> did my own testing with 23andme. I've uploaded my results to FTDNA on your >> suggestion and will eagerly await the results. >> >> I have a lot of research ahead of me! I appreciate all the help and >> advice! >> >> Diane >> >> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Diane DM, >>> >>> They are small villages and people talk. People may have seen Maria and >>> knew she was pregnant. And perhaps Maria thought no one saw her or no one >>> would talk. So after giving birth, she leaves her baby at the roda (the >>> wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan for offerings given to the church). The baby >>> is turned over to the Camara and they assign a nursing woman to feed the >>> baby. The child, if it lives, is raised by the family for 7 years. At the >>> age of 7, the child can chose to stay with the family or make his/her own >>> way. >>> >>> Now, if people saw Maria and saw that she had no baby, they may have >>> asked her where it was. So then she claimed her baby. Maybe she had a >>> change of heart and decided to claim her baby and raise him herself. Maybe >>> as he got a little bigger, he looked so much like her that she went ahead >>> and claimed him. We don't know. Somewhere between Jose's birth and >>> marriage, he found out who his mom was. >>> >>> Why these expostos pick a certain surname - who knows. It could be from >>> one of the families they lived with. It could be a surname of importance in >>> the freguesia, so picking that well-known name might give them better >>> opportunities. We just don't know their reasons. >>> >>> On Sao Miguel island, when referring to Faial da Terra they either write >>> Faial da Terra or Faial. If they are talking about the island of Faial, >>> they say ilha da Faial. Yep, the first time I saw that I was confused >>> myself! >>> >>> Surnames are fluid. It takes a while to get used to this. Immigrants >>> often dropped the de/da/do prefix to the surname. The double consonant were >>> dropped in many words when the language was "modernized" in 1910/1911 or >>> so. Here's a little article that Kathy Cardoza and I wrote on surnames. >>> It's on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP >>> >>> To go back a generation and finding the siblings of one of your >>> grandparents (the one who has "pai incognito" may not have any other known >>> siblings - at least from that mother) ... Yes, the hunt, just as you said. >>> A few churches have indices. If you use Tombo.pt, he lists them for you, if >>> they exist: >>> [image: image.png] >>> This church, Sao Miguel Arcanjo, in Vila Franca, has separate indices in >>> addition to the baptisms, marriages, and deaths. They also have books of >>> legitimizations - where the parent(s) come forward and say the baby is >>> theirs. Sometimes, the legitimization is recorded in the margin too. Or >>> quite often, just not recorded. >>> >>> Some priests may have put an index in the back of the book. Here's one >>> from Ribeira das Tainhas: >>> [image: image.png] >>> >>> Name, parents, record number, and page. Watch that "v." (Yeah, sorry, >>> the priest in my freguesia wasn't so good at penmanship). The first record >>> is #49 on page 21v, meaning 21 verso. In English, page 21 reverse. In >>> normal thinking, turn to page 22 and look on the left. >>> >>> Anyways, collecting the siblings is a good thing. Once you find one >>> though, you go 9 months forwards or backwards (depending on which way you >>> are researching) and then start looking for another baby. You are stuck >>> hunting for the parents only in the 3rd time period - that's where the >>> record gives all that detail. Then you hit about 1860 (the 2nd time >>> period). Working back in the 2nd time period it will say right on the first >>> line, Jose, filho de Manuel da Silva and Maria da Souza. That part becomes >>> much easier, but there are no grandparents. The 3 time periods, with what >>> to expect in each record can be found again on the Azores GenWeb here: >>> https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>> >>> Yes, DNA is bringing new people to our wonderful world of genealogy. So >>> no, it wasn't silly. If you did not test with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) , >>> transfer your results there. If you did test with FTDNA, be sure to join >>> the Azores DNA Project. I can email you the directions on these if you need >>> them. gfscherim at gmail.com If your parents are alive or have any >>> remaining siblings, DNA test them now. You will be glad you did. FTDNA as >>> will as the other major companies will have a DNA sale at the end of the >>> year. >>> Good luck, Cheri Mello >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheri and Bill, >>>> >>>> Thank you so very much for helping decipher these records. I cannot >>>> thank you enough. Thank you for clarifying my grandfather's birth year. My >>>> brother-in-law thought it was 1897, I thought it looked like 1898 so >>>> another set of eyes is appreciated. >>>> >>>> My cousin has a very extensive family tree but there was missing >>>> information about my father's side. I have incredible information about my >>>> mother's maternal and paternal line going back generations and now having >>>> more information about my father is satisifying. Having my sister get my >>>> grandparents information on her recent trip to Sao Miguel has indeed been >>>> fruitful as we were able to connect to people in his tree that had no >>>> descendants or missing descendants recorded. I wish I was interested in >>>> genealogy when my mother was alive. It took me to do a silly DNA test to >>>> suddenly be interested. Ah, such is life. >>>> >>>> If I'm understanding the record about my grandfather's father - >>>> information for his mother and father are missing/unknown parents. This is >>>> interesting. I'm trying to figure out how he ended up with the name de >>>> Resendes then. I wonder if his mother (the woman listed as Maria Pereira >>>> de >>>> Melo) died young and Violante raised him. Is that Faial the island or >>>> Faial >>>> da Terra? ON my cousin's family tree I see a Violante de Resendes (who had >>>> a mother with de Medeiros and a father with de Resende --missing the s) >>>> who >>>> was born 1827 and died 1896. She and her husband (Jose Carreiro) were from >>>> neighboring Agua Retorta. >>>> >>>> I figured with one of the records listing his mother as Maria Pereira >>>> de Melo, she must have given the child either her mother or father's >>>> surname. The surnames are so confusing. For examle, my father and all his >>>> siblings got the surname of my grandmother Maria Lourdes de Melo and not >>>> the father, Jose Pereira de Resendes. At some point the de got dropped and >>>> the original double L in deMello was dropped to a single L. >>>> >>>> I have a question - how would I find the siblings of my grandfather >>>> Jose or the children of his parents? I'm guessing one has to look through >>>> all the possible years of birth and examine each record one at a time - >>>> yes? >>>> >>>> Thank you all again. What a great community of support! >>>> >>>> Diane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:24:19 AM UTC-4, [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Whether its 1897 or 1898 (I agree with Cheri that it looks like 1898) >>>>> I can't seem to find this baptism in Faial da Terra. >>>>> >>>>> I did find what may be the marriage of his parents: >>>>> >>>>> Faial da Terra, 16 Feb 1887 >>>>> Groom: Jose Pereira de Resendes, 20 years old (would be age 53 or 54 >>>>> in 1920) exposto baptized in Povoacao (Mae de Deus) and given to >>>>> Violante de Medeiros of Faial to be raised. >>>>> Bride: Emilia Guilhermina da Conceicao, 25 years old (would be age 58 >>>>> or 59 in 1920), daughter of Jose da Costa and Maria Pacheco >>>>> Names and ages are close (not exact) matches. The father has both >>>>> parents unknown (exposto) instead of just an unknown father. >>>>> >>>>> Starts bottom left: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html* >>>>> >>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html> >>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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