Diane DM, Let me know when you need a kit for your aunt! Happy hunting, Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 4:27 PM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: > Cheri, > > Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Such fascinating and helpful information! > I enjoyed reading the naming practices. Insightful article about Finding > Your Roots too! > > Such a fascinating narrative about what may have happened with Maria and > the baby. It'll just be one of those things we'll never know! I did locate > a woman in my cousin's tree called Violante Rosa de Medeiros Festa who > lived in Faial da Terra with an occupation as midwife/parteira that would > have been 30 in 1866 when Jose was born. Interesting. > > My parents are both deceased and the only living sibling of my dad is his > younger sister, about 82. She's in good physical health but she's been in > the Casa de Saúde in Ponta Delgada since she was 18. I was there last in > 2017 and wish I had been interested in this at the time. There's a > possibility I might visit next year and I think for her the best thing > would be a cheek swab so it looks like FTDNA would fit the bill for that. I > did my own testing with 23andme. I've uploaded my results to FTDNA on your > suggestion and will eagerly await the results. > > I have a lot of research ahead of me! I appreciate all the help and advice! > > Diane > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Diane DM, >> >> They are small villages and people talk. People may have seen Maria and >> knew she was pregnant. And perhaps Maria thought no one saw her or no one >> would talk. So after giving birth, she leaves her baby at the roda (the >> wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan for offerings given to the church). The baby >> is turned over to the Camara and they assign a nursing woman to feed the >> baby. The child, if it lives, is raised by the family for 7 years. At the >> age of 7, the child can chose to stay with the family or make his/her own >> way. >> >> Now, if people saw Maria and saw that she had no baby, they may have >> asked her where it was. So then she claimed her baby. Maybe she had a >> change of heart and decided to claim her baby and raise him herself. Maybe >> as he got a little bigger, he looked so much like her that she went ahead >> and claimed him. We don't know. Somewhere between Jose's birth and >> marriage, he found out who his mom was. >> >> Why these expostos pick a certain surname - who knows. It could be from >> one of the families they lived with. It could be a surname of importance in >> the freguesia, so picking that well-known name might give them better >> opportunities. We just don't know their reasons. >> >> On Sao Miguel island, when referring to Faial da Terra they either write >> Faial da Terra or Faial. If they are talking about the island of Faial, >> they say ilha da Faial. Yep, the first time I saw that I was confused >> myself! >> >> Surnames are fluid. It takes a while to get used to this. Immigrants >> often dropped the de/da/do prefix to the surname. The double consonant were >> dropped in many words when the language was "modernized" in 1910/1911 or >> so. Here's a little article that Kathy Cardoza and I wrote on surnames. >> It's on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP >> >> To go back a generation and finding the siblings of one of your >> grandparents (the one who has "pai incognito" may not have any other known >> siblings - at least from that mother) ... Yes, the hunt, just as you said. >> A few churches have indices. If you use Tombo.pt, he lists them for you, if >> they exist: >> [image: image.png] >> This church, Sao Miguel Arcanjo, in Vila Franca, has separate indices in >> addition to the baptisms, marriages, and deaths. They also have books of >> legitimizations - where the parent(s) come forward and say the baby is >> theirs. Sometimes, the legitimization is recorded in the margin too. Or >> quite often, just not recorded. >> >> Some priests may have put an index in the back of the book. Here's one >> from Ribeira das Tainhas: >> [image: image.png] >> >> Name, parents, record number, and page. Watch that "v." (Yeah, sorry, the >> priest in my freguesia wasn't so good at penmanship). The first record is >> #49 on page 21v, meaning 21 verso. In English, page 21 reverse. In normal >> thinking, turn to page 22 and look on the left. >> >> Anyways, collecting the siblings is a good thing. Once you find one >> though, you go 9 months forwards or backwards (depending on which way you >> are researching) and then start looking for another baby. You are stuck >> hunting for the parents only in the 3rd time period - that's where the >> record gives all that detail. Then you hit about 1860 (the 2nd time >> period). Working back in the 2nd time period it will say right on the first >> line, Jose, filho de Manuel da Silva and Maria da Souza. That part becomes >> much easier, but there are no grandparents. The 3 time periods, with what >> to expect in each record can be found again on the Azores GenWeb here: >> https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >> >> Yes, DNA is bringing new people to our wonderful world of genealogy. So >> no, it wasn't silly. If you did not test with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) , >> transfer your results there. If you did test with FTDNA, be sure to join >> the Azores DNA Project. I can email you the directions on these if you need >> them. gfscherim at gmail.com If your parents are alive or have any >> remaining siblings, DNA test them now. You will be glad you did. FTDNA as >> will as the other major companies will have a DNA sale at the end of the >> year. >> Good luck, Cheri Mello >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Cheri and Bill, >>> >>> Thank you so very much for helping decipher these records. I cannot >>> thank you enough. Thank you for clarifying my grandfather's birth year. My >>> brother-in-law thought it was 1897, I thought it looked like 1898 so >>> another set of eyes is appreciated. >>> >>> My cousin has a very extensive family tree but there was missing >>> information about my father's side. I have incredible information about my >>> mother's maternal and paternal line going back generations and now having >>> more information about my father is satisifying. Having my sister get my >>> grandparents information on her recent trip to Sao Miguel has indeed been >>> fruitful as we were able to connect to people in his tree that had no >>> descendants or missing descendants recorded. I wish I was interested in >>> genealogy when my mother was alive. It took me to do a silly DNA test to >>> suddenly be interested. Ah, such is life. >>> >>> If I'm understanding the record about my grandfather's father - >>> information for his mother and father are missing/unknown parents. This is >>> interesting. I'm trying to figure out how he ended up with the name de >>> Resendes then. I wonder if his mother (the woman listed as Maria Pereira de >>> Melo) died young and Violante raised him. Is that Faial the island or Faial >>> da Terra? ON my cousin's family tree I see a Violante de Resendes (who had >>> a mother with de Medeiros and a father with de Resende --missing the s) who >>> was born 1827 and died 1896. She and her husband (Jose Carreiro) were from >>> neighboring Agua Retorta. >>> >>> I figured with one of the records listing his mother as Maria Pereira de >>> Melo, she must have given the child either her mother or father's surname. >>> The surnames are so confusing. For examle, my father and all his siblings >>> got the surname of my grandmother Maria Lourdes de Melo and not the father, >>> Jose Pereira de Resendes. At some point the de got dropped and the original >>> double L in deMello was dropped to a single L. >>> >>> I have a question - how would I find the siblings of my grandfather Jose >>> or the children of his parents? I'm guessing one has to look through all >>> the possible years of birth and examine each record one at a time - yes? >>> >>> Thank you all again. What a great community of support! >>> >>> Diane >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:24:19 AM UTC-4, [email protected] >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whether its 1897 or 1898 (I agree with Cheri that it looks like 1898) I >>>> can't seem to find this baptism in Faial da Terra. >>>> >>>> I did find what may be the marriage of his parents: >>>> >>>> Faial da Terra, 16 Feb 1887 >>>> Groom: Jose Pereira de Resendes, 20 years old (would be age 53 or 54 >>>> in 1920) exposto baptized in Povoacao (Mae de Deus) and given to >>>> Violante de Medeiros of Faial to be raised. >>>> Bride: Emilia Guilhermina da Conceicao, 25 years old (would be age 58 >>>> or 59 in 1920), daughter of Jose da Costa and Maria Pacheco >>>> Names and ages are close (not exact) matches. The father has both >>>> parents unknown (exposto) instead of just an unknown father. >>>> >>>> Starts bottom left: >>>> >>>> >>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html* >>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html> >>>> Bill Seidler >>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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