Hi Phillipe,
I will answer your questions in the body of your message to make sure I don't
miss anything. I received info on my MARTINS line a number of years ago. I
paid the researcher Joao Ventura to do the work because I was new to Azorean
genealogy. I will provide you the information I have in the records he sent
to me and note places where I wasn't concentrating well enough to keep
everything straight. (See below.)
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 3:55:07 PM PDT, Philippe GARNIER
<philippegarnier...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Deb,
It's not an error. In his marriage record, the mother of João Francisco is ANA
MARIA, and not Guiomar Felicia. YOU ARE CORRECT AS SHOWN ON JOA'S RECORD
BPARJJG/PRQ/HORTA/FETEIRA/B/1788 . i HAD IN MY ANCESTRY RECORDS THAT
GUIOMAR FELICIA WAS NOT JOAO'S MOTHER BUT THAT ANA MARIA WAS. WHEN YOU WROTE,
I LOOKED BACK AND SAW IN JOAO V'S RECORD THAT THE MOTHER WAS NOT ANA BUT
GUIOMAR. UNFORTUNATELY, I RECORDED THE UPDATE ON THE WRONG GENERATION. AT
LEAST THAT'S THE BEST EXPLANATION THAT THIS TIRED BRAIN CAN OFFER.
Your ancestors are mysterious. There is not a couple Francisco Martins * Ana
Maria na Sé de Angra. There is one in Santa Luzia married on 1741. But João
Francisco deceased with 50 years old, in 1818. Then it would be born around
1768 +/- 5 years. CORRECTI didn't find a João son Ana Maria in Santa Luzia.
And in the Sé, I found only a João son of Ana Maria and unknown father on 15
novembre 1768 (img 153). Isn't possible his father do a legal recognition later
? I don't know. SORRY TO HAVE YOU THINK THIS MUCH WHEN I MADE AN ERROR.
But, why have you change Ana Maria in Guiomar Felicia? Do you have some
informations about that ? Frequently the 2nd mother's name change : Ana Maria,
or Ana da Conceição .... But not Ana in Guiomar.
I am not related with this family, neither my wife whose family is from Ilha
Terceira. But José Rodrigues Quartilho, Guiomar's father, is a descendant of
João de Aguiar his 5th grandfather. And the family of João de Aguiar is
described in th Volume V of my collection of books "Familias da Ilha Terceira".
I am completing it to a 3rd edition. I HAD NOT HEARD OF YOUR BOOKS AS I AM NEW
TO RESEARCHING TERCEIRA. HOW WONDERFUL THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN ON THE WORK.
I HAVE LOOKED THROUGH BOOK 6 OF SAUDADE DE TERRA . I FOUND MARTINS BUT COULD
NOT MAKE A CONNECTION TO MY MARTINS. DO YOU SEE ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS TO
MARTINS IN YOUR WORK BEYOND GUIOMAR'S FATHER?
ARE YOUR BOOKS ONLY IN PORTUGUESE?
I am not a profesSional genealogist. Only a scientific researcher who publish
his work, without to sell my datas (except the prices of the books given by the
publisher and it's cheaper than a profesional). I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY
THIS LAST SENTENCE. DO YOU SELL YOUR BOOKS DIRECTLY TO CUSTOMERS? I SEE THEY
ARE AVAILABLE ON AMAZON. ARE YOU SAYING THAT AMAZON MAKES MONEY BUT YOU DON'T?
WHEN WOULD THE 3RD EDITION BE AVAILABLE?
THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP ME. I HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY AT WORK AND HOME.
I AM STARTING TO REALIZE THAT I SHOULDN'T WORK ON IT WHEN MY BRAIN IS SO
TIRED. BE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR CAUSING YOU TO DO UNNECESSARY WORK.
I hope my msg help you. Best regards.
Philippe GarnierParis - Francehttps://philippegarnier112. wixsite.com/
familiasilhaterceira/copie-de- familias-da-ilha-terceira
Le lun. 15 avr. 2019 à 20:26, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy
<azores@googlegroups.com> a écrit :
Hi Phillipe
I have sent a follow-up email to the Azores Genealogy group website. THANK YOU
SO MUCH for questioning my work, which led to the correction. I can't figure
out how I made the error since I have copies of the correct Portuguese
documents showing Guimar as the correct wife and mother and not Ana Maria.
Somewhere along the line I obviously transcibed something wrong
My questions to you are (a) Did you look because you thought we were related?
or (b) Were you just curious? I am hoping the answer is (a).
Either way, I appreciate your help.
Deb
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
On Sunday, April 14, 2019, 9:49:27 AM PDT, Philippe Garnier
<philippegarnier...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Deb,
There are some problems with your data.1 - I didn't find the mariage of
Francisco Martins and Ana Maria in 30-07-1739, Sé - Terceira.2 - Francisco
Martins,son of Francisco Martins and Domingas do Nascimento, married with
Isabel de Jesus in 06 May 1747, is not widow. Then, he was not the husband of
Ana Maria.3 - João Francisco Martins born in 1761 in Faial, son of Francisco
Martins died in 1771 in Terceira ??
Can you send the link with the Ana Maria mariage ?
Best regards
Philippe GarnierParis - Francehttps://philippegarnier112. wixsite.com/
familiasilhaterceira/copie-de- familias-da-ilha-terceira
Le dimanche 14 avril 2019 05:20:00 UTC+2, DBM a écrit :
I am wondering if anyone in the group is related to my MARTINS direct line:
6th great grandparents: Sebastio Martins (no birth/marriage/death dates or
locations) and Maria de LIma (no birth/marriage/death dates or locations)
5th great grandparents: Francisco Martins (born 26 Oct. 1670; married 7 June
1696 in Se, Terceira; died before 1747) and Domingas do Nascimento, (born on ?
in Piedade, Pico; died 23 Nov. 1707, Sao Pedro, Terceira.) Daughter of Manuel
Gonsalves (born in Piedade, Pico; no marriage or death info) and Engracia do
Porto (born in Piedade, Pico; no marriage or death info)
4th great grandparents: Francisco Martins (born 1700 in Sao Pedro, Terceira;
married 30 July 1739 in Se, Terceira; died 6 April 1771 in Se, Terceira) and
Ana Maria (born and died in Se, Terceira; dates unknown.) Note: Francisco also
married Guiomar Felicia and Isabel de Jesus.
3rd great grandparents: Joao Francisco Martins (born 7 May 1761; married 8 Aug
1788 in Feteira, Faial; died 15 June 1818 in Feteira, Faial) and Maria Inacia
(born 2 Feb 1761; death date unknown).
2nd great grandparents: Ana Inacia (born 28 Sept 1794 in Feteira, Faial;
married 16 Feb 1827 in Feteira, Faial; died before 16 June 1868 in ? location)
and Jose Francisco dos Ramos Martins (born 3 Aug. 1804 in Rosais, Sao Jorge;
died 15 June 1868 in Feteira, Faial. Son of Incognito and Maria dos Ramos
(born 3 April 1768 in Rosais, Sao Jorge; death unknown).
1st great grandparents: Jose Francisco Martins (born 8 April 1828 in Feteira,
Faial; married 2 Dec 1871; died on ?) and Virginia Emilia (born 27 April 1844
in Sao Mateus, Pico; died 28 Jan 1927 in Feteira, Faial). Virginia is the
daughter of Bento Pereira da Costa and Maria Antonia.Note: Jose also married
Maria Felicia do Coracao de Jesus.
Grandparents: Antonio Francisco Martins (born 15 Jan 1885 in Feteira, Faial;
married 12 Jan 1908 in Oakland, Ca; died 31 Jan. 1935 in Oakland, CA) and
Elysa/Elizabeth Abreu (born 15 Feb 1891 in Sao Martinho, Madeira; died 10 July
1959 in Los Gatos, Santa Clara County, CA).
Fingers crossed that this info rings a bell with someone.
Deb McCabe
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