Hi, 18.09.2007 13:03,, Hydro Meteor wrote:: > > > On 9/17/07, *Arno Lehmann* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi, > > 18.09.2007 10:36,, Eric Böse-Wolf wrote:: > > "Hydro Meteor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes: > > > >> Martin, > >> > >> Thank you for checking my logic. I wonder if it would be > worthwhile to the > >> Bacula community to have some simple diagrams that accompany the > User's Guide, > >> such a diagram that shows a timeline and how Bacula Jobs operate > along such a > >> timeline? I'd be pleased contribute some graphics to the > documentation if > >> that's something other people would also be interested in. > > Personally, I don't see the need for this - the underlying logic is > quite clear to me - but of course it might help you and others. > > > Probably with time if any person spends enough time with Bacula, they > will be able to navigate Bacula configuration files with much ease as > they have the logic all mapped out in their heads.
;-) > The Tutorial for > newcomers is really quite nice and it does get someone up and running > and testing Bacula rather swiftly but I think that sometimes diagrams > that map out abstractions and visualize logic constructs (such as > visualizing multiple Backup Level types with a few scenarios for Full, > Differential, Incremental, etc.) might be useful. As I stated: I agree, but personally, I do not usually need this. Which, as it is, makes it difficult for me to decide how such an overview should be structured for the best result. > Last year I attended > one of Dr. Edward Tufte's < http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/ > seminars > and one of the things Tufte said in his lecture which I thought was very > insightful was that different people have different cognitive styles. That is definitely true, ... > In > my case I probably have a cognitive style preference for having some > abstractions laid out visually. This isn't an advertisement for Dr. > Tufte's books but some of his books are really quite good such as > Beautiful Evidence, which I recommend. > > As I continue to work out a Bacula operational system on my Xserve, I > will create a few timeline graphic flow charts and once I have them > refined I'd be pleased to contribute them to the Bacula Wiki and/or > User's Guide. ... which is one of the reasons why I like to see people contributing to the documentation :-) > > I would really appreciated it. > > > > I noticed: If I have two Jobs, both on the same Client with the same > > FileSet but with different schedules, Bacula will make two Full > Backups > > as the individual job has never had a Full Backup before, even if the > > other job did a Full backup a few days ago. Maybe thats > something, that > > could be mentioned, too. > > That's just what a job is for - a job is an independent entity and > never refers to data from other jobs. I don't know if the manual is > very clear on this, but again, I never had problems understanding > this. But you are right - from time to time, people don't understand > this, set up one job for full, one for differential, and one for > incremental backups and wonder why it does not work as expected. > > Some introduction to the concepts of jobs in relation to client, > fileset and schedule definition would probably be a good addition to > the manual. > > The basic idea would be to point out that filesets, schedules and even > client definitions can be used in many jobs, but that each job is > independent from any other jobs and thus holds its own, complete set > of backed up data, even though that data can overlap with the data > from other jobs. > > Now someone needs to write that up in a two-page text that clearly > describes this to novice users :-) > > > This conceptualization might indeed be ripe for a combined text and > visual explanation. I use tools like Visio which can export graphics in > open formats such as SVG and PDF. Great, I and many others look forward to what you come up with! Don't hesitate to present your work-in-progress here, I'm sure any input from others can only help you refining such an overview. As time permits, I'll help you as much as possible. Arno > Cheers! > > > Arno > > -- > Arno Lehmann > IT-Service Lehmann > www.its-lehmann.de <http://www.its-lehmann.de> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann www.its-lehmann.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
