1. Hajir:
> Doesn't make sense. This means that the resources available to the people before
> 622 (i.e. the New Testament) must have been sufficient to guide them for ever too.
1. Gilberto:
I actually have alot less of a problem with that than you do. I don't
need to denigrate Christians and tell them that what they have is out
of date in order for me to feel good. Like I've said before, there
wasn't a *need* for God to send Muhammad (saaws). But God in his
mercy chose to send him to us.
need to denigrate Christians and tell them that what they have is out
of date in order for me to feel good. Like I've said before, there
wasn't a *need* for God to send Muhammad (saaws). But God in his
mercy chose to send him to us.
1. Hajir:
Sounds like we are saying the same thing. I would consider the Christian to be following a Book that was absolutely perfect for its time, so it is still perfect today. Yet, I have another 3 Revelations sent from God to add to it. These 3 newer Revelations of the Same Truth are in essence only repeats of the Revelation of Jesus.
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2. Gilberto:
> In any case, I don't think you are applying the argument in the right way. The Bible
> actually has changed in significant ways.
> actually has changed in significant ways.
2. Hajir:
I think that if changes were made to the Bible after the revelation of Muhammad, then the issue would be irrelevant. I also don't think people who believed in the Bible as the word of God would intentionally change it.
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3. Gilberto:
> Again, I actually don't have as much of a problem with this as you do.
> Judaism is a good religion with alot of wisdom in it.
3. Hajir:
Agreed.
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4. Gilberto:
> I might take exception to specific things which don't make sense to me as an individual, but > they certainly have the capacity to be good spiritual people.
4. Hajir:
My opinion of them don't matter, my standard is the latest Revelation of God.
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5. Gilberto:
> In terms of the Torah, among Biblical scholars virtually no one believes that the current Torah > was actually written by Moses. So if Torah is the original revelation, there is some serious
> question as to the form in which it exists.
5. Hajir:
To me, this is irrelevant because whatever "to-us-inadequate-record" of the Torah existed before Jesus came along must have been sufficient for the people, perfect for them. Therefore, I cannot criticize those who follow the Torah, and must consort with them in friendship. Afterall, if I lived in 300BC, I would be following the Torah to have direct access to God's Revelation.
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6. Gilberto:
I don't remember you specifically quoting from the Quran to support
the idea that there needs to be continual revelation. But even if you
did, we would just obviously disagree on the interpretation.
I don't remember you specifically quoting from the Quran to support
the idea that there needs to be continual revelation. But even if you
did, we would just obviously disagree on the interpretation.
6. Hajir:
And I would respect you for your opinion/interpretation, and I would have had the same opinion had I lived in the time before the Bab. It is the standard mainstream Muslim belief, which was clarified and interpreted by the Bab (others may have said it too before the Bab).
It looks like we have more in common than we thought.
Regards,
Hajir
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