On 10/27/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In Biblical and in modern terms, killing all the men, taking the women as > > concubines and wives and raising the children as members of the conquering > > tribe, certainly matches the definition for genocide. Gilberto: > I'm finding myself having less and less positive feelings about the > conversation and where you seem to be pushing the conversation. > Islamic rules for warfare strove to protect non-combatants and to > allow the conflict to de-escalate. The Biblical OT rules simply did > not do that. That is a real difference. You may think it is a small > difference. I don't. Scott: > No need to take it personally, Gilberto. You didn't do any of it. Gilberto: No, I'm not taking it personally. I know I didn't do it. But style of your (collectively, not individually) seems like it is yet another example of how on the one hand Bahais claim to affirm Islam, while at the same time try to delegitimize it. If Banu Qurayzah was under Muhammad's (saaws) "watch" and you believe Muhamad was a Manifestation of God, then even if the religion of Islam never existed, Bahais should have to come to terms with explaining the ethics and morality of such an action. But that's not the route Bahais take. Instead Bahais tend to argue that it was under a different law and a different situation, as if the moral value of a human life was different now and then. Scott: > I agree that the jurisprudence of the affair was probably according to the > laws of the tribes. However, I notice that when discussing these things it > is a tendency for you to put things in modern terms. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Could you be more precise about what you are trying to say? > And in modern terms > there is no difference between the fate of the rebelling tribe in that > instance and the fate of the rebelling tribe of Bosnians at the hands of > Serbians. You are mixing apples and oranges. -Gilberto The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu