I'm not sure where the conversation is headed. I'm trying to see if it is possible to come up with a formulation which is an accurate description of the Bahai attitude on this subject.
For most religions, there is a common set of values which are "good things" and which should be maximized as much as people in society and in our lives. But when these various good things compete, different religions may prioritize the values differently. For example, in the Jain faith, the sanctity of all life is valued very highly.. to the point that religious Jains might carry around special brooms so that they don't accidentally step on a bug when they walk. It would be fair to say that most other religions don't necessarily put the same value on life. In a similar way, I know of one Sufi tariqat where a specific requirement of joining that order is to never ever lie. But in Islam in general there is the explicit idea in Islamic law that lying is permitted in certain cases, for example, when it is required to save a life. Since the Bahai faith comes out of Islam, combined with Persian cultural attitudes, it sort of takes this idea of permissible lies and runs with it. [And one can look at Susan's paper on hikmat and dissimulation or The Practice of Taqiyyah (Dissimulation) in the Bábí and Bahá'í Religions by Sepehr Manuchehri for more detailed discussions] In each paper there are examples of specific behaviors by specific groups of people (for example a group of Jews who became Bahais and joined the Presbyterian Church) and you might dismiss that as the action of individual Bahais, but their behavior is rooted in and justified by certain Bahai concepts. Or consider Abdul-Baha's example in SAQ of the doctor who lies to his patient in order to give him hope of a cure... So just as in any non-pacifist religion the sanctity of life is not valued in the same radical way that it is seen in the Jain faith, telling the candid unvarnished truth is not the highest value in the Bahai faith. That's not to say that Bahais are generally dishonest, or that Bahais like to lie, or anything of that nature. But there are more potential justifications for bending the truth in the Bahai value system. -Gilberto The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu