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On Nov 18, 2008, at 12:07 PM, firestorm wrote:

the Master's "proof" is a paraphrease of stuff from avicenna.
 in the usa, hatcher did a revise of the same "proof."
  it should gooogle.
all such proofs fail by the logical fallacy of assuming the thing to be proven, positive causation. on the other hand, hatcher's presentations of his proof were, accordinmg to my cruising the net, very useful for opening dialog with people whose "atheism" was an uneducated agnosticism or deism, and thus had great value. i would offer that there is no "proof" of the Existece of the One. such a "proof" would make the One contingent. the One is...Self-Evodently, or not. "god" on the ther hand, is a fiction which can be destroyed by anybody who wishes to, like any other vain imagining. the ease with which this can be done often gives a small pelasure to people who then describe the pleasure as "atheism".


I strongly agree.

The members of a set (Creation) can not prove the existence of something (God) outside the set.

The so-called proofs are actually rationalizations for believing.

Don C

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Understood properly, all man's problems are essentially spiritual in nature.





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