The Baha'i Studies Listserv Is it even possible to be a second, third, fourth, etc. generation cb? Excluded categories of people Shoghi Effendi wrote to the National Spiritual Assembly of Canada in 1957: “ People who have withdrawn from the Cause because they no longer feel that they can support its Teachings and Institutions sincerely, are not Covenant-breakers -- they are non-Bahá'ís and should just be treated as such. Only those who ally themselves actively with known enemies of the Faith who are Covenant-breakers, and who attack the Faith in the same spirit as these people, can be considered, themselves, to be Covenant-breakers.[3] ” Beyond this, many other relationships to the Bahá'í Faith exist, both positive and negative. Covenant-breaking does not apply to most of them. The following is a partial list of those who could not rightly be termed Covenant-breakers: * Members of other religions or no religion without any particular relationship to the Bahá'í Faith. * Followers of Subh-i-Azal, Bahá'u'lláh's half-brother, who are known in modern times as Bayanis are often mistakenly referred to by this label. The appellation seems, however, misapplied. Since Covenant-breaking presumes that one has submitted oneself to a covenant and then broke it, and Bayanis never swore allegiance to Bahá'u'lláh, they cannot therefore be said to have broken his covenant. * Bahá'ís who simply leave the religion. (see above) * Bahá'ís who, in the estimation of the head of the religion have insufficiently understood the nature of the covenant from the start. These are sometimes "disenrolled" and are considered to have never actually been Bahá'ís, given their fundamental diversion from this core Bahá'í doctrine. * External enemies of the Bahá'í Faith. If someone is born into a cb family or raised by cb parents, does that count as that person legitimetly being a cb?
________________________________ From: Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 7:01:18 PM Subject: Re: Sects The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of thinking > or non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who are most of them? Dear Stephen, Most Remeyite groups only manage to convert a handful of Baha'is and hardly anybody else. The Jenseniites have been an exception in this regard. Leland Jensen managed to use New Age networks like the Rainbow Gatherings and connections with students at Montana State University to build up a cult following. He lost most of that after the failed prophecies of 1980, still I think it is fair to say that most of his followers, including Neal Chase himself, were never Baha'is. warmest, Susan __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-483301-17190...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-483439-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu