The Baha'i Studies Listserv No, you are mistaken about The Bab's views on the so called 12th Imam. Read His "Seven Proofs", for example.
Samarra or Jamkaran, Jabolqa or Jaborsa, etc., is irrelevant. Hasan al- askari was not survived by any living son. Best regards, Iskandar Sent from my iPod On Jun 29, 2010, at 4:26 AM, shahram rohani <shahramroh...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > All dear friends, > Although it is a nice discussion,but it is moving from a subject to > another subject.What I can add is that Shaikhiya is also a Shiite > sect.The 12th Imam,Mahdi, was also born physically.Since Hazrat A'la > [Bab] in his words has acknowledged it,and had represented himself > as his agent[Bab].Sometimes,there was a false view that Bab had told > so as hekmat.But it is not right.Since hee had witnessed the living > existing of Mahdi several times;first of them was in front of Jenab > Mulla Hussein. > Furthermore, I have read 5-6 books,but have not seen any literature > claiming that the Shiite believe that Mahdi is in Samara well. > Thanks, > Rohani > > --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Seal of the Prophets > To: "Baha'i Studies" <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 12:00 PM > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > > Then, there are no definitive interpretations? > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Hi Iskandar, > > Would you say Bahais accept the Shaykhi view rather than the Shiah > view? > > Sent by iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:35 AM, <iskandar....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> >> >> Dear Hajir: >> >> The Baha'i "acceptance", if you will, of Shi`ah is quite nuanced >> and sophisticated. As you very well know, Baha'i Writings do not >> accept all of Shi`ism in toto, wholesale. For example, Baha'is do >> not believe that the promised One, the promised Mahdi, is the >> physical son of Hasan al-`askari alive physically in a well in >> Samarra, etc. Baha'is, as Sunnis, believe that the Promised Mahdi >> would be born, just as The Bab was born. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Iskandar >> >> >> >> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >> >> From: "haj...@yahoo.com" <haj...@yahoo.com> >> Sender: <bounce-511458-2080...@list.jccc.edu> >> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:36:13 -0700 >> To: Baha'i Studies<bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >> ReplyTo: "Baha'i Studies" <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >> Subject: Re: Seal of the Prophets >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> Stephen, >> >> The Baha'i writings are very clear that Muhammad sealed both >> Prophethood and Messengership. Otherwise, the Cycle of Prophecy >> would not have ended, and the Cycle of Fulfillment would not have >> started. Furthermore, Baha'is accept the Shi'i interpretation of >> Islam and acknowledge the authority of Imams. So, even if it is a >> later interpretation it does not mean that it is a wrong >> interpretation. >> >> Just because Muhammad is last and greatest doesn't mean he is >> supposed to be distinguished from previous prophets. >> Just because Einstein was smartest, just because Michael Jordan is >> most athletic, just because Mother Teresa is kindest, etc. etc. >> doesn't mean mankind is not one. The oneness of mankind doesn't >> have anything to do with any of that stuff. A blind man is equal >> to a seeing man. A deaf man is equal to a hearing man. A child >> and an adult are one. >> >> The same principle holds for God's Appearances/Manifestations/ >> Prophets/Messengers/etc. >> >> School Analogy: >> >> Just because a 12th grade teacher tells students in the 12th grade >> *many more things* than a 1st grade teacher tells the 1st graders, >> does not mean that they are all teachers. >> >> AND, EVEN If another teacher was the one who wrote the text books >> for both 1st and 12th grade, and was the one who trained both the >> 1st and 12th grade teachers, this does not mean that this teacher >> of teachers is somehow different from other teachers and somehow >> not a human being. 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