The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's one thing to say that Prophets have similarities and have differences. But, it's quite another thing to quote a hadith that purportedly says Muhammad was given things (was it six things?) that other Prophets lacked and then when you do actually analyze those six things, they are rather bogus. And you fail to see that.
You also fail to see the self definition of the Baha'i Faith as a new Divine Revelation, as a new religion and you talks about saints, and awliyAA, and reformers, etc. Baha'u'llah is none of those. He is the Founder and Author of a new Divinely ordained religion/Revelation. This is self definition. You don't address that. Khazeh's paper and Moojan's paper address many many issues from a variety of angles and perspectives. You don't address or engage them. Or, you just can't. By they way, how on earth did Moses spoke directly with God? Did God speak with Moses in Hebrew or in Arabic, or what? How can God speak, anyhow? How does God communicate with other Prophets? Via SMS text messaging? On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Gilberto Simpson < gilberto.simp...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Iskandar, > > The point which I don't think you are seeing is that all the prophets > would have had special things about them which distinguish them from > one another. Adam was the first prophet. Moses is said to have spoken > to God "directly". Joseph was said to be exceedingly beautiful. Jonah > was one of the few prophets who preached to his people so that they > averted punishment. > > The flipside is that other prophets weren't distinguished in those > specific ways but had other attributes of excellence. > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. > <iskandar....@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > This is the hadith that you quoted: > >> > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "God has bestowed upon me six > >> > favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy: > >> > > >> > I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech. I > >> > was granted victory owing to my awe. The spoils of war were made > >> > lawful unto me. > >> > ------------------- > > >> > Do you really and sincerely believe that kind of rubbish about your > >> > Prophet? > >> > You are a sick man if you do. Plain and simple. > >> > As I said, go back and re-read the other ahadith that you quoted and > >> > read > >> > them carefully. Most of them are just garbage. They were simply made > up > >> > and > >> > fabricated decades later for various other purposes. > >> > > >> > >> If you have to resort to insults it just makes me lose respect for > >> you. You are entitled to your opinion but I really don't have any > >> desire to have you address me. > > > > > > What you fail to see is that the hadith that you had quoted, if read > > carefully, is disrespectful towards all the other Prophets of God; and > > if/when you believe that your Prophet could have said it, then you > > definitely have a sick mind. That's why I believe that that hadith (and > some > > of the other ones) were bogus and fabricated. > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:iskandar....@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-547758-2080565.74e62800577573ae18970b78170ff...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547765-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
