It seems I got confused about this single 11th idea - I assumed it referred to the fundamental. Now I see that all the info was there, I just misread it. I don't think it is something I would consider, but a tighter octave alongside the fundamental would probably be a good thing.
www.rmguitar.info -----Original Message----- From: Martin Shepherd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2007 12:13 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c Dear Chris, The author of the Burwell tutor is quite clear. He says the French masters first adopted a twelve course lute, then returned to an 11c, "keeping only the small eleventh" because the sound of the low octave on the 11th is "too big and smothers the sound of the other strings". He also explains how you can then play a C on the open 11th instead of having to finger it at the third fret of the sixth course. You're right about the single 11th being the high octave, not the lower - Burwell says it should be between the 5th and 6th in size. Later authors clearly used both strings, Mouton for instance indicates where they are to be played separately. Best wishes, Martin P.S. I do think the single 2nd course arises from conversion of a 10c lute - it means you only need one more peg for the 11c version, which you can get by adding a treble rider. So no need to make a new pegbox! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I think the idea of the single 11th course was possibly transitional - to >make a 10c into an 11c set up with single second course, leaving another >single for the 11th. My understanding was that this 11th course was an 8ve >and not a bordon. > >Cheers > >Chris > >Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > >>Thanks Theo and Anthony, >> >>Yes, these gimped strings are new to me, the Pistoys too. So it's not just a >>case of getting used to 11 courses and new repertoire, but new strings also. >>I will doubtless experiment a bit over time, but gut basses are expensive! >>I'd love to hear your Andy Rutherford 11c, Theo, and Anthony's Gottlieb when >>it arrives. Mary Burwell said the French fashion was for a single 11th >>course - I might try that with a thicker fundamental. >> >>I'm probably finished recording for the moment, but might take you up on the >>idea of recording the same piece in a couple of months, just to see what >>differences there are. >> >>Rob >> >>www.rmguitar.info >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: T. Diehl-Peshkur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 14 December 2007 10:41 >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c >> >>Hi Rob, >>Thanks for the link, very nice! >>>From my own experience, I picked up my Andy Rutherford 11 course about a 2 >>months ago, all gut, with gimped basses >>from Larson. >>The basses developed quite dramatically in the first few month- especially >>after working on them vigorously for some time. >>I think it is a combination of the string developing as well as the >>soundboard. >>My suspicion is that in about a month or two, those basses of yours are >>going to be quite different. >>It would be fun to record the same piece again at that time to see what >>happens! >>Cheers, >>Theo >> >> >>From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:19:14 -0000 >>To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] new sound file for 11c >> >>I've made an mp3 of the Chaconne in Am by de Visee with my right hand little >>finger resting on the bridge. This technique is depicted in a number of >>paintings and seems to work well with all-gut strings. I once tried it on a >>lute strung in nylon and it sounded quite poor. I think it works well with >>gut, so might try to adopt it as my 11c technique. On the other hand (not >>literally) the famous painting/engraving of Mouton has his hand a little >>further from the bridge with little finger on the sound board, but still >>nowhere near the rose. >> >> >> >>The gimped strings seem to have settled. >> >> >> >>Here it is: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm - scroll to the bottom of the >>page. >> >> >> >>Man, I love this lute! Please excuse all this sudden enthusiasm! >> >> >> >>Rob >> >> >> >>www.rmguitar.info >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
