Dear Martin, I think I got my copy from "Jacks,Pipes and Hammers" about 2 - 3 years ago. Brian Jordan might also be worth a try. best wishes Charles
-----Original Message----- From: Martin Shepherd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2007 13:04 To: baroque lutenet Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c Dear Luca, The relevant quotes from Burwell are in my essay on Rob's site: www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm A facsimile of the book was printed by Boethius Press but is probably now out of print - can anyone advise? The author of the Burwell lute tutor is thought to have been John Rogers, who is thought to have been a pupil of Ennemond Gaultier. Best wishes, Martin Luca Manassero wrote: > Dear Martin, > > all this sounds very, very interesting. > > Are you aware of a site where I could get the Mary Burwell "on-line"? > > Many thanks, > > Luca > > > Martin Shepherd on 14-12-2007 13:12 wrote: > >> Dear Chris, >> >> The author of the Burwell tutor is quite clear. He says the French >> masters first adopted a twelve course lute, then returned to an 11c, >> "keeping only the small eleventh" because the sound of the low octave >> on the 11th is "too big and smothers the sound of the other >> strings". He also explains how you can then play a C on the open >> 11th instead of having to finger it at the third fret of the sixth >> course. >> >> You're right about the single 11th being the high octave, not the >> lower - Burwell says it should be between the 5th and 6th in size. >> >> Later authors clearly used both strings, Mouton for instance >> indicates where they are to be played separately. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Martin >> >> P.S. I do think the single 2nd course arises from conversion of a >> 10c lute - it means you only need one more peg for the 11c version, >> which you can get by adding a treble rider. So no need to make a new >> pegbox! >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> I think the idea of the single 11th course was possibly transitional >>> - to make a 10c into an 11c set up with single second course, >>> leaving another single for the 11th. My understanding was that this >>> 11th course was an 8ve and not a bordon. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Theo and Anthony, >>>> >>>> Yes, these gimped strings are new to me, the Pistoys too. So it's >>>> not just a >>>> case of getting used to 11 courses and new repertoire, but new >>>> strings also. >>>> I will doubtless experiment a bit over time, but gut basses are >>>> expensive! >>>> I'd love to hear your Andy Rutherford 11c, Theo, and Anthony's >>>> Gottlieb when >>>> it arrives. Mary Burwell said the French fashion was for a single 11th >>>> course - I might try that with a thicker fundamental. >>>> >>>> I'm probably finished recording for the moment, but might take you >>>> up on the >>>> idea of recording the same piece in a couple of months, just to see >>>> what >>>> differences there are. >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> www.rmguitar.info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: T. Diehl-Peshkur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December >>>> 2007 10:41 >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: new sound file for 11c >>>> >>>> Hi Rob, Thanks for the link, very nice! >>>> >>>>> From my own experience, I picked up my Andy Rutherford 11 course >>>>> about a 2 >>>> >>>> months ago, all gut, with gimped basses >>>> from Larson. The basses developed quite dramatically in the first >>>> few month- especially >>>> after working on them vigorously for some time. >>>> I think it is a combination of the string developing as well as the >>>> soundboard. >>>> My suspicion is that in about a month or two, those basses of yours >>>> are >>>> going to be quite different. >>>> It would be fun to record the same piece again at that time to see >>>> what >>>> happens! >>>> Cheers, Theo >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:19:14 -0000 >>>> To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] new sound file for 11c >>>> >>>> I've made an mp3 of the Chaconne in Am by de Visee with my right >>>> hand little >>>> finger resting on the bridge. This technique is depicted in a >>>> number of >>>> paintings and seems to work well with all-gut strings. I once tried >>>> it on a >>>> lute strung in nylon and it sounded quite poor. I think it works >>>> well with >>>> gut, so might try to adopt it as my 11c technique. On the other >>>> hand (not >>>> literally) the famous painting/engraving of Mouton has his hand a >>>> little >>>> further from the bridge with little finger on the sound board, but >>>> still >>>> nowhere near the rose. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The gimped strings seem to have settled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here it is: http://www.rmguitar.info/Maler.htm - scroll to the >>>> bottom of the >>>> page. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Man, I love this lute! Please excuse all this sudden enthusiasm! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.rmguitar.info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>
