I obviously failed to get Kirnberger III as a joke. That's the prob with us non-native speakers, we sometimes just don't get it. BTW Mathias is my given name, and I should prefer to get addressed with that name only, on this list, or not at all.
Mathias <chriswi...@yahoo.com> schrieb: > Monsieur Mathias, > > Nothing to it. I don't know exactly how accurate my tuner is and I > frankly don't care as long as it's in the ballpark. I never just go by the > tuner; there's always some degree of adjustment by ear so technically I'm > never strictly playing in any temperament. This is undoubtedly what was > actually done back in the day. It still is today. Modern strings and winds, > supposedly in ET, are constantly adjusting intervals by ear as they play - as > they should. Fortunately for us, tuning systems are rarely of much use > outside of theory. > > Chris > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: > > > From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy? > > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com > > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:34 PM > > Chris, > > > > your work commands my respect, seriously. I would never > > figure to do > > that myself. My eletronic device isn't as fine as to show > > exact single > > cents. What's more, I wouldn't dare to position frets so > > that all the > > notes accurately fit. BTW, no need to call me Herr on an > > English-speaking list. > > > > Best, > > > > Mathias > > > > <chriswi...@yahoo.com> > > schrieb: > > > Herr Roesel, > > > > > > I used the most historically > > accurate method: an electronic tuner. ;-) > > > Once got the open strings, I fidgeted frets around by > > ear depending on the key and context (which is actually the > > historical precedent). If needed, I would sometimes > > re-finger passages to include different > > frets/strings/positions if they sounded too sour. I > > concentrated mainly on post-Weiss music, so it worked pretty > > well. I don't have much experience with many of the > > nouveau accords, but could see how this could be > > problematic. I finally decided the payoff wasn't really > > worth the time and have since gone back to (mostly) ET with > > no great sense of loss. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and > > ET? Remedy? > > > > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:02 PM > > > > Could say how to do that? > > > > > > > > Mathias > > > > > > > > <chriswi...@yahoo.com> > > > > schrieb: > > > > > I've found that Kirnberger III works pretty > > > > well. I used it for a while although I'm back > > to ET > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Edward Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com> > > > > > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor > > tuning and > > > > ET? Remedy? > > > > > > To: ""Mathias Rösel"" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>, > > > > baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > > > > > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:36 > > PM > > > > > > I agree with Mathias. ET works > > > > > > best for d minor tuned lutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > ed > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009, Mathias Rösel > > wrote: > > > > > > >I never tried to get MT on the 11c > > lute. > > > > Taking the a's > > > > > > and fourth frets > > > > > > >a bit down seems about all you can > > do if you > > > > absolutely > > > > > > want to. I don't > > > > > > >because IMHO 11c lutes in D minor > > tuning were > > > > invented, > > > > > > so to say, for > > > > > > >ET. The same applies to the > > predecessors and > > > > company of > > > > > > the D minor > > > > > > >tuning, i. e. so-called > > transitional > > > > tunings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mathias > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > > > > > > schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear baroque lutenists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting into the d-minor > > tuned lute's > > > > secrets > > > > > > seems to be an interesting > > > > > > > > task! Among the many first > > impressions > > > > - partly > > > > > > good, partly not so good - > > > > > > > > was one of the latter: it > > looked like > > > > you really > > > > > > should get used to the > > > > > > > > equal temperament - to me > > quite heavy > > > > a > > > > > > sacrifice. Anyhow, after asking my > > > > > > > > former lute teacher and > > taking a look > > > > to his > > > > > > 11-courser, I got the idea > > > > > > > > that at least you can make > > your F-major > > > > and some > > > > > > other keys better by > > > > > > > > tuning the a's a little bit > > lower and > > > > taking the > > > > > > 4th fret a little lower; > > > > > > > > then there you have the > > a(low), f# and > > > > c#. All of > > > > > > them good to be low in > > > > > > > > many important keys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow g-minor seems to be > > problematic: > > > > eb's and > > > > > > f#'s seem always want to > > > > > > > > be on the same fret in the > > neigboring > > > > strings. > > > > > > And I guess there will be no > > > > > > > > good D-major unless you tune > > the 1st > > > > and 4th to > > > > > > f#. They also used that > > > > > > > > scordatura in the 17th anf > > 18th > > > > centuries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any comments, experiences or > > hints in > > > > getting > > > > > > better intonation than the ET > > > > > > > > in d-minor tuned lutes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see > > list > > > > information at > > > > > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > > > > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > > > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > > > > > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com > > > > > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/edslute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Viele Grüße > > > > Mathias Rösel > > > > http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com > > http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > -- Viele Grüße Mathias Rösel http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel
