Mathias,
No need to get testy. Ich äffe Sie nicht. I use my tuner to get my open
strings and frets about right in Kirnberger III, then I adjust slightly
according to what sounds good to my ear. What on earth would be funny about
that?
Herr Wilke
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
> From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?
> To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:03 AM
> I obviously failed to get Kirnberger
> III as a joke. That's the prob with
> us non-native speakers, we sometimes just don't get it. BTW
> Mathias is
> my given name, and I should prefer to get addressed with
> that name only,
> on this list, or not at all.
>
> Mathias
>
> <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
> schrieb:
> > Monsieur Mathias,
> >
> > Nothing to it. I don't
> know exactly how accurate my tuner is and I frankly don't
> care as long as it's in the ballpark. I never just go
> by the tuner; there's always some degree of adjustment by
> ear so technically I'm never strictly playing in any
> temperament. This is undoubtedly what was actually
> done back in the day. It still is today. Modern
> strings and winds, supposedly in ET, are constantly
> adjusting intervals by ear as they play - as they
> should. Fortunately for us, tuning systems are rarely
> of much use outside of theory.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and
> ET? Remedy?
> > > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
> > > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:34 PM
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > your work commands my respect, seriously. I would
> never
> > > figure to do
> > > that myself. My eletronic device isn't as fine as
> to show
> > > exact single
> > > cents. What's more, I wouldn't dare to position
> frets so
> > > that all the
> > > notes accurately fit. BTW, no need to call me
> Herr on an
> > > English-speaking list.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Mathias
> > >
> > > <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
> > > schrieb:
> > > > Herr Roesel,
> > > >
> > > > I used the most historically
> > > accurate method: an electronic tuner. ;-)
> > > > Once got the open strings, I fidgeted frets
> around by
> > > ear depending on the key and context (which is
> actually the
> > > historical precedent). If needed, I would
> sometimes
> > > re-finger passages to include different
> > > frets/strings/positions if they sounded too
> sour. I
> > > concentrated mainly on post-Weiss music, so it
> worked pretty
> > > well. I don't have much experience with many of
> the
> > > nouveau accords, but could see how this could be
> > > problematic. I finally decided the payoff wasn't
> really
> > > worth the time and have since gone back to
> (mostly) ET with
> > > no great sense of loss.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel"
> <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> > > > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor
> tuning and
> > > ET? Remedy?
> > > > > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009,
> 12:02 PM
> > > > > Could say how to do that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mathias
> > > > >
> > > > > <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > schrieb:
> > > > > > I've found that Kirnberger III
> works pretty
> > > > > well. I used it for a while although
> I'm back
> > > to ET
> > > > > nowadays.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward
> Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Edward Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:
> D-minor
> > > tuning and
> > > > > ET? Remedy?
> > > > > > > To: ""Mathias Rösel"" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>,
> > > > > baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, December 11,
> 2009, 8:36
> > > PM
> > > > > > > I agree with Mathias. ET
> works
> > > > > > > best for d minor tuned
> lutes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009,
> Mathias Rösel
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >I never tried to get MT
> on the 11c
> > > lute.
> > > > > Taking the a's
> > > > > > > and fourth frets
> > > > > > > >a bit down seems about
> all you can
> > > do if you
> > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > want to. I don't
> > > > > > > >because IMHO 11c lutes in
> D minor
> > > tuning were
> > > > > invented,
> > > > > > > so to say, for
> > > > > > > >ET. The same applies to
> the
> > > predecessors and
> > > > > company of
> > > > > > > the D minor
> > > > > > > >tuning, i. e. so-called
> > > transitional
> > > > > tunings.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Mathias
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >"wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > > > > > > schrieb:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear baroque
> lutenists,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > getting into the
> d-minor
> > > tuned lute's
> > > > > secrets
> > > > > > > seems to be an interesting
> > > > > > > > > task! Among the
> many first
> > > impressions
> > > > > - partly
> > > > > > > good, partly not so good -
> > > > > > > > > was one of the
> latter: it
> > > looked like
> > > > > you really
> > > > > > > should get used to the
> > > > > > > > > equal temperament -
> to me
> > > quite heavy
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > sacrifice. Anyhow, after
> asking my
> > > > > > > > > former lute teacher
> and
> > > taking a look
> > > > > to his
> > > > > > > 11-courser, I got the idea
> > > > > > > > > that at least you
> can make
> > > your F-major
> > > > > and some
> > > > > > > other keys better by
> > > > > > > > > tuning the a's a
> little bit
> > > lower and
> > > > > taking the
> > > > > > > 4th fret a little lower;
> > > > > > > > > then there you have
> the
> > > a(low), f# and
> > > > > c#. All of
> > > > > > > them good to be low in
> > > > > > > > > many important
> keys.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyhow g-minor
> seems to be
> > > problematic:
> > > > > eb's and
> > > > > > > f#'s seem always want to
> > > > > > > > > be on the same fret
> in the
> > > neigboring
> > > > > strings.
> > > > > > > And I guess there will be no
> > > > > > > > > good D-major unless
> you tune
> > > the 1st
> > > > > and 4th to
> > > > > > > f#. They also used that
> > > > > > > > > scordatura in the
> 17th anf
> > > 18th
> > > > > centuries.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any comments,
> experiences or
> > > hints in
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > > better intonation than the
> ET
> > > > > > > > > in d-minor tuned
> lutes?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Arto
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Edward Martin
> > > > > > > 2817 East 2nd Street
> > > > > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812
> > > > > > > e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com
> > > > > > > voice: (218) 728-1202
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Viele Grüße
> > >
> > > Mathias Rösel
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Viele Grüße
>
> Mathias Rösel
>
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