I spoke of the Dm tuning.
MH
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Roesel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
wrote:
From: "Mathias Roesel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 16:40
I wonder how to do that. In French flat, the basic chords are
ch. C mj A mn
g' -a----|----r--
e' -a----|----a--
c' -a----|----a--
a -d----|----a--
e -d----|----a--
B -b----|----b--
bass 5 a
---------------------
ch. G mj F mj
g' -a----|----r--
e' -d----|----b--
c' -r----|----a--
a -r----|----a--
e -d----|----b--
B -a----|-------
bass /a //a
---------------------
ch. D mn E mn
g' -r----|----a--
e' -b----|----a--
c' -r----|----e--
a -a----|----r--
e ------|----a--
B -d----|----a--
bass 4 ///a
It might seem obvious to lower the 2nd and 4th frets (for major thirds)
and to shift upwards the 1st and 3rd frets (for minor thirds). The
problem is, however, that there are a major third (3d) that is
frequently used, and tonics on the 1st and 3rd frets, and a minor third
on the second fret (3r). That's why I happily stick with ET. I'd be
curious, though, about solutions as regards pure intervals.
Mathias
"Martyn Hodgson" <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:
>
>
> Whilst agreeing that much of the 18thC Dm repertoire requires
equal
> temperament (or near), there's a case for some form of meantone
for the
> earlier French repertoire which asks for fewer modulations and
> generally uses less extreme keys. The ubiquitous use of unisons
(eg
> open first 3rd fret second, open second 4th fret third, etc) in
this
> repertoire, especially at closing cadences, also suggests good
tuning
> at these frets - possibly better than that resulting from equal
> temperament.
>
> MH
> --- On Fri, 11/12/09, wikla <[2]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
>
> From: wikla <[3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?
> To: [4]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 21:44
>
> Dear baroque lutenists,
> getting into the d-minor tuned lute's secrets seems to be an
> interesting
> task! Among the many first impressions - partly good, partly not
so
> good -
> was one of the latter: it looked like you really should get used
to the
> equal temperament - to me quite heavy a sacrifice. Anyhow, after
asking
> my
> former lute teacher and taking a look to his 11-courser, I got the
idea
> that at least you can make your F-major and some other keys better
by
> tuning the a's a little bit lower and taking the 4th fret a little
> lower;
> then there you have the a(low), f# and c#. All of them good to be
low
> in
> many important keys.
> Anyhow g-minor seems to be problematic: eb's and f#'s seem always
want
> to
> be on the same fret in the neigboring strings. And I guess there
will
> be no
> good D-major unless you tune the 1st and 4th to f#. They also used
that
> scordatura in the 17th anf 18th centuries.
> Any comments, experiences or hints in getting better intonation
than
> the ET
> in d-minor tuned lutes?
> Best,
> Arto
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