From: Dale Young <dyoung5...@wowway.com>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, "Stephan Olbertz"
<stephan.olbe...@web.de>
Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:43 PM
Kohaut requested sordini for middle
movements and the entire Divertimento in
Bb, one of two printed examples of lute ensembles with
violin. ( I can't
remember if Ph. Martino suggested sordini or not for his
fiddle trios) Many
have suggested that violins were quieter and/or players
were accustomed to
quieter playing before the wholesale adoption of the east
european/klesmer/gypsy/ schmaltz school of VIOLIN PLAYING.
Oy. (Or
Paganininininini.) The sordini were more a
change of timbre than a volume
control (i think).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephan Olbertz" <stephan.olbe...@web.de>
To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:31 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel von Radolt
> Am 08.11.2010, 15:05 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Wilke
> <chriswi...@yahoo.com>:
>
>> It was, however, also common practice for the
bowed strings to use mutes
>> when playing with lutes
>
> Interesting. I only know the Hagen Duet for Violin and
Lute with obligato
> mute, what else do we have?
>
> Regards, Stephan
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> and I think this recording
>> would have benefited from doing so. Gunar
Letzbor mentions that playing
>> with lutes was a new experience for the group, so
my hats off to them
>> for tackling this music in the first place and
doing such a good job of
>> it.
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>> Chris
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>>> The liner notes reveal some interesting
facts...
>>> apparently, the
>>> parts were scattered in various areas, making
great
>>> difficulty in
>>> assembling the concertos. All parts were then
>>> together, with the
>>> exception of the first violin part in the
concertos.
>>> One of the
>>> lutenists in the project, Hubert Hoffman,
started writing
>>> the missing
>>> violin parts, and after near completion of the
work,
>>> somebody found
>>> it the missing part!! Yesterday I had a
conversation
>>> with an old
>>> friend, Doug Towne. In discussing this, he
laughed,
>>> stating, "They
>>> should have asked me... I've had it since the
late 70's".
>>>
>>> The lutenists involved in the recording are
Hubert Hoffman,
>>> Sven
>>> Schwannberger, and Klaus Kob. I have never
heard of
>>> any of these
>>> performers, but they certainly performed these
works well.
>>>
>>> ed
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>>>
>>> At 08:41 AM 11/7/2010, Christopher Wilke
wrote:
>>> >Bernd,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the link. And
>>> thanks very much to Martyn for
>>> > writing the article. Very interesting
and
>>> informative stuff. I
>>> > wonder why Radolt has received so little
attention.
>>> >
>>> > On one point, though, I can't
>>> agree with Martyn: von Radolt's
>>> > music is not of "negligible musical
worth." I
>>> won't argue that it
>>> > is the deepest stuff, but it is pleasant
to listen to
>>> and there are
>>> > some surprises to keep you interested.
Overall,
>>> I would recommend
>>> > the recording that Ed mentioned by Ars
Antiqua Austria
>>> although I
>>> > find the violin to be a bit too forward
in the
>>> recorded mix. They
>>> > definitely did not follow Radolt's
explicit
>>> instruction that "the
>>> > soprano part that is the small lute must
at all times
>>> be set
>>> > strongly" and tripled in volume in
relation to the
>>> other parts. (I
>>> > suppose they were after an "overall
composite
>>> sound.")
>>> >
>>> > Actually, I know very little
>>> about this recording. I bought it
>>> > on iTunes about a year ago and there is
no booklet
>>> (shame on
>>> > them!). I could hear that there was more
than
>>> one lute on there,
>>> > but the performers' names are not even
listed
>>> online. How hard is
>>> > it to include a digital booklet, people?
>>> >
>>> >Chris
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Christopher Wilke
>>> >Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
>>> >www.christopherwilke.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--- On Sun, 11/7/10, Bernd Haegemann
<b...@symbol4.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > From: Bernd Haegemann <b...@symbol4.de>
>>> > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Wenzel
von Radolt
>>> > > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu,
>>> "Edward Martin"
>>> > <e...@gamutstrings.com>,
>>> "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> > > Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:40
AM
>>> > >
>>> > > > See my paper in FoMRHI
>>> Quarterly No
>>> > > 44 July 1986 C-737 : 'Von Radolt's
>>> > > > instructions to lute
>>> players (Wien
>>> > > 1701)'
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This gives a translation of
>>> the
>>> > > instructions and a commentary on
the
>>> > > > lute sizes/pitches
>>> required.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > see
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.fomrhi.org/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-044.pdf
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > B
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > To get on or off this list see list
information
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>>> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edward Martin
>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812
>>> e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com
>>> voice: (218) 728-1202
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>>>
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