Andrew, I'm reading the posts and I must say that we are all in the same boat (speaking on behalf of the baruwa users). In all respect to your achievements with baruwa (hats down for that), we all know that you have all the know how and the deep insides of your code, however the problem is somewhere else (please don't be mad at some critics below, they are viable identifications to make your project better): - you're the only boss of your project, which is ok in initial processes but not at this stage of the project. - you keep the baruwa under your own control and not letting anyone join the one person team, and you know well what I mean by that ;) - you made the project opensource that we thank you for that (the proof is that you got a lot of thanks for the nice project on this mailing list), however it feels like you're not building the community well (bringing additional developpers on board). - there are thousands of opensource projects that were ripped and made benefit for others without bringing benefits to the original developpers (as a simple example you can take snort which was overused commercially through other known businesses before it showed that all their products were based on the opensource snort engine), so IMHO you can't opensource something if you start think that everyone will use it and benefit from it, that's not the "opensource" approach if you know what I mean, just don't opensource it and that's it.
I would disagree on your constructive points - I think that everyone who took part of the mailing list is giving something and not making demands only, mentioning the issues and trying to fix few things, some of them wrote a how to do a cluster on centos5, others pointed packages needed to be installed prior to the main puppet process etc etc... DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE ONLY MAKING DEMANDS ? - 99% of this mailing list posts are about asking for help, so this point doesn't make sense at least to me. - I presume that most of us are infrastructure guys who don't know a lot about programming (including myself), so take their demand as a hint to make your product better and use that to gain popularity, did you ever ask publicly that you're searching some developers to contribute and let them get part of the Baruwa cake? I hope that the mail that you wrote below is an effect of your not thoughtful overreaction at some critics from others... but bear in mind that critics give the chance to make your product better and stronger. Personally, I'm happy with baruwa, I've contributed to a small part of it previously and will continue to use it for the moment, however as an opensource product its users expect a stable continuous development or at least some updates on the status, otherwise they will be worried like it happened/happening on this thread. @Andrew: just chill out for some time and re-analyse in general where is the problem to fix it, do not focus on one or two posts... Cheers, Anis On 10 October 2012 12:55, Andrew Colin Kissa <[email protected]> wrote: > Glenn, > > All i hear here is, let one person do the work and you reap the benefits, > apache even make it > worse, let one person do the work and you take all the credit(closed > source) and reap all > the benefits. > > Code gets open sourced because of the contributions that the community > should make to > advance the project. > > Frankly with no contributions of code, documentation, time and financial > resources why > would i devote time to making things work for you ? When i can spend that > time doing > stuff that actually benefits me ? > > Am sure you can find an alternative but you will still go down the same > path if you simply > expect someone else to do the work and you reap the benefits. > > Baruwa may die for you but it will not for me cause i wrote it know how it > works and will > keep using it, frankly in the grand scheme of things if you don't use it, > make no difference > to me. > > Okay thats the rant. Now for the way constructive way forward. > > * Do something don't just make demands > * Ask for help while doing something and you will get it > * If you cannot do, chip in and get someone who can to do it and > contribute that back > > - Andrew > > On 10 Oct 2012, at 4:23 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > > > Yeah - > > > > Truth is - I was going to donate but wanted to see where it went first. > > At present I am not going to pay anything towards it. > > > > I run a not-for-profit - www.WebEmpoweredChurch.org > > We have built a large number of plugins / extensions for Typo3 (and now > some on WordPress) > > Each are free - well documented etc. > > > > I would love to see this use an Apache style license perhaps - > > I have not had the chance to put my thoughts to paper on this yet… but I > have a feeling Baruwa will simply die off if this is where it is headed. > > > > If you do hear of anything - please let me know > > Be interested in finding an alternative > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Mark Chaney wrote: > > > >> I had a feeling that was the case. Its unfortunately very common when > open source projects go commercial and release source code, its usually not > in a format that is to easy to use. Especially without documentation. > Unfortunately I seem to be only 1 of 3 people that actually donated any > money to the project to try to keep it from going in that direction. > >> > >> Unfortunately the language used for this project makes it pretty much > impossible for me to contribute with as well. Add a framework on top of it > just made it extra over complicated. So right now I am at the mercy of > others to figure it out before I can do anything with it. =P > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > >> > >> On 2012-10-09 20:38, Glenn Kelley wrote: > >>> No. > >>> > >>> Truth is - I have struggled quite a bit. > >>> I kinda put it on the back burner for now… > >>> I do need to get back to it - but simply put - have not had the time… > >>> > >>> > >>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:06 AM, Mark Chaney wrote: > >>> > >>>> Glenn, > >>>> > >>>> Have you done anything more with baruwa2 yet? I need to setup a new > cluster of two of these babies in the near future and was just wondering > how your testing was going with version 2 and if you did end up putting > together any docs/notes about your experience and/or additional deployment > instructions. I unfortunately havent seen much activity on the mailing list > about it. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> On 2012-08-21 19:55, Glenn Kelley wrote: > >>>>> Are there updated instructions on Baruwa2 as of yet. > >>>>> I ran into a number of dependency issues on CentOS 6.3 > >>>>> > >>>>> Working through them and putting together some documentation on my > >>>>> own - but figured I would ask first. > >>>>> > >>>>> Meanwhile Baruwa1.x is still rocking on the Barracuda Antispam > >>>>> appliances I loaded it onto and kicking the teeth out of their > >>>>> "protection" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 > > -- > www.baruwa.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Keep Baruwa FREE - http://pledgie.com/campaigns/12056 >
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